07-21-2010, 12:21 PM | #16 |
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Please, please, Kovid, puhleeease never incorporate hovering as way to do anything more than pop up a description of a button or, possibly, dropdown a menu (and then, don't make the menu persistant). It's too easy for some people, like me, to accidentally open something not wanted that way.
While I can understand your objection to unsupported statements saying most people are used to this and that, if a major OS like Windows uses certain ways of doing things, it stands to reason a large percentage of people will be used to it. Btw, I'm not criticizing you. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate ('tis the Irish in me, don'cha know). |
07-21-2010, 12:42 PM | #17 |
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Hit Nail on the head.
I do think some of this is from where, when and what UI you started with
Me, I started using computers with Teletypes and "dumb" terminals. Blink, Bright were your options (Monochrome in those days). I hate the interface of this MR BBS ( I started with and still haunt USENET, and use a simple threaded newsreader: Forte Agent (PAN is a poor imitation ). I can read my ~50 subscribed groups and never touch a mouse. ) I would say that if it was possible to have and use "Saved" preferences, do so and let the user customize the cr*p out of their UI. Saved is important, so if another person uses MY system, the default UI can be put back in place for them without destroying the other set customization (think of Windows (Advanced, customized) desktop themes). |
07-21-2010, 01:22 PM | #18 |
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Okay, I'm steamed. I'm beyond steamed.
Cfp, you have a lot of nerve. You use free software for a few days -- the icon size problem you're talking about is specific to 0.7.9, so you can't have been using it before the 17th of this month -- and you have the unmitigated gall to waltz in here and say, if I understand the headline changes correctly, that calibre sucks. If there was any commercial alternative to calibre, I'd take up a collection around the forum to buy you a copy. Like theducks, I've been around programming for a while. I remember the joy of first time I got to use a CRT terminal; dumb terminals were such a huge advance over cards and TTY. I've done UI design professionally for everything from command lines and text menus to completely textless environments. Right now, I'm a professional website designer, and website design is GUI design. So unlike you, I have actually not only used but designed multiple styles of user interface. There is no one true way. Y'know, I don't happen to like some things about the calibre GUI. I've posted about things I dislike here on occasion (check the thread about the icons for an example). Unlike you, I've been using calibre longer than 4 days. Unlike you, I have contributed money to the project, and when my life is less chaotic, I'll probably be contributing code. As you might note from my karma, I'm considered to be a respected user around here. And I would never in a million years, never, ever consider telling Kovid that calibre (or any part of it) "sucks" and needs to be rewritten to conform to my expectations. Seriously, what is this with people who would never go to Microsoft and demand that Office be redesigned just for them, but feel perfectly free to barge in make just such demands of independent developers? Calibre is open source. If there's something I dislike so badly, then I'm perfectly within my rights to follow the instructions on how to set up a development environment and change it so it works the way I like, or to hire some coder to do it for me. The one thing I don't have a right to do is insult the developer, demand that he throw out his design and use mine instead, and generally act like an arrogant so-and-so with a world-class ego. Don't you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes or something? |
07-21-2010, 01:32 PM | #19 |
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@Worldwalker; I suspect it's because when it's a big organization doing the design, people automatically assume the organization knows better. When it's an independent developer, they automatically assume the reverse.
Plus, an independent developer is actually more likely to listen |
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You're double clicking on the title. Double-clicking on any metadata dispalyed allows it to be edited or deleted (if deletion is allowed for that type of data.) Single-click selecting allows the book to be deleted.
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After thinking about it, I agreed and now think he was 100% correct. To the extent possible, Calibre will preserve the ebook unchanged in the database and prevent it from inadvertently being overwritten with potentially the wrong book. Some of your other suggestions relating to automatic syncing seem to violate that basic premise. |
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Deleting a format (even ALL Formats) from within the Metadata browser, causes No loss of tags, . Calibre has Awesome flexibility. |
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07-21-2010, 02:15 PM | #23 | |
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The difference is that you can drag a hundred books to the GUI, and it will identify them all and put them where they belong. However, it won't replace an existing format when done that way. When I wrote it, it would. It originally acted exactly as it does when the edit metadata screen is open - new formats were added and existing formats were overwritten. Now it only adds new formats, it won't replace existing ones. |
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07-21-2010, 04:30 PM | #24 |
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07-21-2010, 06:38 PM | #25 |
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cfp - you come across to me as a corporate developer. I am a programmer/developer also, and have been for 40 years. I would have to strongly disagree with a lot of your interface design statements.
There are design standards for Windows applications (specified by Microsoft, of course!). But these are guidelines, nothing more. Since I develop in nothing but Windows, some of the interface issues in Calibre irk me a little. Unless I really have to, I will not use a java application for pretty much the same reason - it is just not 'Windows standard'. I am very forgiving when it comes to Calibre though - I fully realize that it is cross platform - so I understand the problems. It is also written in Python - I image the available tools/libraries for that would be more limited - again - I understand. But having said all that - Calibre has done a really good job of satisfying the most people. So - I suggest that you are not as good at interface design as you might think. A lot of this stuff is personal opinion -and of course we all have one of those! |
07-21-2010, 07:59 PM | #26 |
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I think Calibre is lovely and it is getting better (mostly)
I cannot see much point in taking excessive umbrage at a users suggestions/complaints as being really a valid use of ones time and mental energy. Certainly it has discouraged me from providing feedback recently and no one has been belligerent or offensive to me personally. A lot of work has gone and is going into Calibre and if it had stopped at the first version I used (around 6.42) it was still way beyond anything else I have tried and I have tried a few. It is human nature to poke holes in perfection and occasionally this results in improvement (oxymoron). I somehow doubt the op meant to be offensive. (me either ) |
07-21-2010, 08:05 PM | #27 |
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The way people jumped all over a guy who posted "calibre sucks" should not discourage you from providing feedback, unless you're someone who has used calibre for a few days and decided it was your duty to register for MobileRead solely to announce to the world that it sucks. And I'm damn sure he did mean to be offensive, or he would have chosen a less offensive and inflammatory title for his post. He wanted attention, and he got it.
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07-21-2010, 08:26 PM | #28 |
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@worldwalker
Since gettting a Sony ebook reader in April and finding calibre, it is almost an obsession. Perhaps you are right about the offensive, but the most I could detect was a smidgeon of "perhaps I could do better if I could be bothered" condescension? I shall reread it again tomorrow. Probably my perspective is off. I spent the better part of today dealing with people who wanted to know if the orange juice was fresh squeezed and the oranges picked this morning. I live in a small isolated town in the Yukon (right next to Alaska) and have a wide number of responses to this Only ocasionally do I say we got no stinking oranges in Teslin. (which is true by the way) |
07-21-2010, 10:32 PM | #29 |
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works for me, nuff said
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09-10-2010, 11:11 AM | #30 |
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Not a flaw, just a poor operator [me]
I'm a newbie, a mechanical engineer, not a software engineer. Much of this thread is beyond me, but I do have three questions about using calibre with XP Pro. 1 - How do I delete files from the reader as pressing delete only deletes the file name. 2 - How do I import MP3 audio files. 3 - How do I arrange the files by file type and or file name.
I only received the Sony PRS 600 a week ago and initially was very disappointed with the Sony software. Then I found calibre. It really impressed, has a good manual and its free. I will be very grateful if one of you experts out there can help solve these beginners problems. My thanks in advance. |
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