Discrepancy in >Differences between books<

[chaot]

b2 --with-regex

It is known: pictures say everything. Even so, my comment: (Smarten Punctuation) That’s totally over the top!

"With all Good Wishes for Christmas and the New Year"

We still need you, as you know ... your chaot

[davidfor]

Could you tell us what you actually did? Sure, there is a difference shown. But, you don't say how the difference window was opened. For all I know you are you comparing two versions of the book and one has two hypens, and the the other either an emdash or endash. That sounds reasonable as they are different.

I can take a guess that this is after doing a smarten punctuation in the editor. The other changes seem to agree with this and you vaguely mention it. If so, I don't understand the problem. Two hyphens/dashes together like that should get converted to an emdash. At least, that is what has been done in every punctuation smartener that I have used.

Have I missed the point? If so, please explain in detail what the problem is. And include all the steps needed to reproduce the problem. If you think, "Should I include that detail?", the answer is "yes". And a sample file is always helpful. Maybe a before and after file?

[chaot]

OK, context: I am writing a book! Both, the subject of the book (regular expressions) and the manual process to produce an EPUB is still largely unknown. Nevertheless, the progress I find remarkable - with confidence, I gladly announce the presentation for Christmas 2017.

These regular expressions are very useful for text editing, HTML & CSS are mandatory anyway. Well, a secondary aspect is that the brain cells get trained.

I can take a guess that this is after doing a smarten punctuation in the editor.

I thought this had been sufficiently indicated →... (Smarten Punctuation) ...

The other changes seem to agree with this and you vaguely mention it.

Yes, Boost's get transformed to Boost’s (Typewriter apostrophe get transformed to an apostrophe. Correct!?)

Two hyphens/dashes together like that should get converted to an emdash.

That's the point: Even if it is what has been done in every punctuation smartener that you know. Here, this kind of smartening makes no sense: the text will be alienated.

I have discovered the matter only by chance, the book got over 300 pages.
God knows what else has been 'smartened'?

Does there exist a list what kind of 'things' get smartened and how - before/after status!?

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by chaot

OK, context: I am writing a book! Both, the subject of the book (regular expressions) and the manual process to produce an EPUB is still largely unknown.

Sorry, I don't follow that statement. You are writing a book about a subject you don't understand? If so, why? And why would I, or anyone else, want to buy a book from someone who wasn't an expert?

Or do you think that "regular expressions" are little known? If so, really?

Nevertheless, the progress I find remarkable - with confidence, I announce the presentation for Christmas 2017.

These regular expressions are very useful for text editing, HTML & CSS are mandatory anyway. Well, a secondary aspect is that the brain cells get trained.

I thought this had been sufficiently indicated →... (Smarten Punctuation) ...

You might think that was obvious, but it wasn't. How hard would it have been to say: "I ran the Smarten Punctuation tool and saw these results. I don't think this is correct." And then explain why you don't think that it is correct. Because I couldn't see any problem in the image you posted, I had read your original post several times to find out what you were complaining about.

Yes, Boost's get transformed to Boost’s (Typewriter apostrophe get transformed to an apostrophe. Correct!?)

That's the point: Even if it is what has been done in every punctuation smartener that you know. Here, this kind of smartening makes no sense: the text will be alienated.

Yes, that's the point. The Smarten Punctuation works like every other Smarten Punctuation out there. Otherwise people would be raising bug reports because things like two hyphens together did not get converted to an emdash. Unfortunately, you have a situation where the double-hyphen isn't supposed to be smartened, but that is probably rare.

I have discovered the matter only by chance, the book has over 300 pages.
God knows what else has been 'smartened'?

Does there exist a list what kind of 'things' get smartened and how - before/after status!?

Sorry, I don't know. I assume that calibre uses a standard library but would have to hunt through the code to find it. I don't think there are any options to control it. You could try Diap's Editing Toolbag. This is an editor plugin and includes a different smarten punctuation tool. It does have options for handling double-hyphens.

[BetterRed]

@chaot - IIRC calibre made use of daring fireballs smarty pants regex routines - but I have a feeling it was replaced by something 'smarter'. Or maybe I'm thinking of Diap Dealers PunctuationSmarten plugin for Sigil.

Anyway there's lots of stuff on the 'net about punctuation smartening - someone's probably written a PhD dissertation on it - in double time four part harmony I shouldn't wonder.

Conversion Look & Feel has options to Smarten AND UNsmarten populations punctuation.

BR

[BetterRed]

Oh look at this ==>> Calibre user manual - Conversion- Look and Feel

--smarten-punctuation

Convert plain quotes, dashes and ellipsis to their typographically correct equivalents. For details, see http://daringfireball.net/projects/smartypants

BR Ψ²

[chaot]

EDIT The following only takes # 4

Responsible for the content are experts. @chaot compiles and edits the whole bunch to an EPUB - available free of charge to everybody. I will not even ask for donations!
By the way that work will make me also to a (little) expert, for editing EPUBs and Regexes.

Or do you think that "regular expressions" are little known? If so, really?

Yes, really! Just go to the street and ask some passers-by. I'll bet with you: Until you find someone who knows about, you're half starved and thirsty. Except you live in somewhere like Silicon Valley.
You will think these passers-by are not interested anyway: Yes, the most not. The rest, however, the information acquisition on the Internet will be too inconvenient, to buy a corresponding book too expensive. So much interest does not exist. But the free EPUB for the socalled john (english loo), that's exactly what they need, I guess.

How hard would it have been to say: "I ran the Smarten Punctuation tool and saw these results. I don't think this is correct."

Not so hard! Only 4 times as many letters, about.


That's not the point. Unfortunately, MobileRead suppresses quotes in the repeating citation.

Otherwise people would be raising bug reports because things like two hyphens together did not get converted to an emdash. Unfortunately, you have a situation where the double-hyphen isn't supposed to be smartened, but that is probably rare.

The rare things are that make us happy.

Diap's Editing Toolbag: I will try and report. But not today!

And then a new question arises. Punctuation rules are probably different depending on the language. This should be considered, possibly pointed out.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by chaot

Responsible for the content are experts. @chaot compiles and edits the whole bunch to an EPUB - available free of charge to everybody. I will not even ask for donations!
By the way that work will make me also to a (little) expert, for editing EPUBs and Regexes.

Yes, really! Just go to the street and ask some passers-by. I'll bet with you: Until you find someone who knows about, you're half starved and thirsty. Except you live in somewhere like Silicon Valley.
You will think these passers-by are not interested anyway: Yes, the most not. The rest, however, the information acquisition on the Internet will be too inconvenient, to buy a corresponding book too expensive. So much interest does not exist. But the free EPUB for the socalled john (english loo), that's exactly what they need, I guess.

In that case, knowledge of RegEx is a lot wider than you think. But, more importantly, it's a specialised knowledge that I wouldn't expect the "man in the street" to know or need. And there are a lot of excellent resources already available for anyone who needs to learn.

Not so hard! Only 4 times as many letters, about.

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That's not the point. Unfortunately, MobileRead suppresses quotes in the repeating citation.

Yes, four times as many letters were needed. And if they had been used, think how many less would have been needed in the answers.

My point was that your original post was unclear and I had to take a guess as to what the problem was.

The rare things are that make us happy.

But they are the things that make the code a lot harder. And unless there is well documented exception, it can't be considered.

Diap's Editing Toolbag: I will try and report. But not today!

And then a new question arises. Punctuation rules are probably different depending on the language. This should be considered, possibly pointed out.

That I have no idea about. Kovid caters for multiple languages where possible. But, it will require that the library in use handles other languages than English. And, as the smarten punctuation tool needs the user to do something, it is entirely up to the user to use it. If it doesn't work for them, they just don't use it.

[Terisa de morgan]

Just my two cents. Regex are so unknown to the non-computer interested (we're not talking about professional here) as the kind of optical glasses or window glasses (a lot, as I've listened to some experts) are. If somebody who is going to work with regex isn't able to find information in internet, giving the nature of the matter, he's going to have a bigger problem in his hands. *going down of the soap box*

[JSWolf]

chaot, the yellow text in your signature is both unreadable and annoying. Would you mind changing the color? Thanks.

[chaot]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

chaot, the yellow text in your signature is both unreadable and annoying. Would you mind changing the color? Thanks.

Of course! Impossible to refuse a request. But please allow me a question first: Is your discomfort due to language problems? It is particularly easy to read, I would mean (mouse click left and hoover). Even better than the rest.


Mein ist ...

This is, incidentally, a slightly modified formula. This is to avoid the already several times raised question about my mother tongue.

Would be #00FFFF (CSS3 name: cyan) pleasant!?

[chaot]

@BetterRed #5 & #6

Heavy stuff! You should understand: Writing a book you got no time for something like that.

Anyway, thanks for your effort.

[PeterT]

Actually I find neither colour easy to read. Why not just use black on white...

[chaot]

Originally Posted by davidfor

... there are a lot of excellent resources already available for anyone who needs to learn.

Where is the link?

Download

Sorry, not active!

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by PeterT

Actually I find neither colour easy to read. Why not just use black on white...

I agree that neither color is easy to read. Also, both colors are unpleasant to look at on a white background. Best solution is to stop the colors.You won't get much help if we cannot easily read what you write.