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More on the Bible as literature.
First of all I want to emphasize that my comments are not intended in any way to discuss the theology espoused in the Bible (although the poetry of Ecclesiastes 3, cited in my previous post, is nothing short of miraculous), but the Bible as an historical document, and in particular the King James version, which to quote Wikipedia has been called "the most celebrated book in the English-speaking world." Posters have expressed similar thoughts here (but not necessarily of the book as a whole).
The majesty and power of the King James version is all the more remarkable in that the initial translation from the Greek and Hebrew begun at the behest of James 1 in the early 1600's was the work of a committee of approximately 50. (I can't cite a source, but my memory tells me that whenever there was a dispute among the committee as to what the final text should be, it was settled by speaking the competing versions and choosing the one that sounded best to the ear.) As Wikipedia notes, the version we have today was completed in 1769, and appears to have been largely the work of two men, Parris and Blaney, which reminded me of the Apostle Paul, who, as Crich points out, wrote a substantial portion of the New Testament, including the letters to the Corinthians from which two of the quotations in my previous post were taken. |
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This is not the place for religion. There is a cordoned off area for politics and religion, please take it there.
linky: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=103942 (in fact there is a discussion already stared there as a result of this thread) Last edited by kennyc; 07-12-2013 at 11:45 AM. |
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Which can include things like "this book attracts fanatics who cause me grief; I try not to read books that inspire violence and idiocy." I don't begrudge people who avoid reading the bible because they've been subject to hate and bigotry inspired by it. Of course it's the most celebrated book in English. For generations, maybe centuries, it was legally mandatory to learn it. Failure to claim to adhere to its principles was punishable by death. Still is, in some places... being a Buddhist or Muslim or Pagan in parts of the US puts a person under threat of attack by random strangers. Quote:
The KJV bible has a lot of passages suitable for 13-year-old boys to snigger over. If it weren't shrouded in centuries of religious dogma, it'd be banned from most libraries as containing obscenities. I have fond memories of reading the parts of the Pentateuch as a teenager and being amazed that people *encouraged* me to read this book. Then I got to the histories--Samuel, Kings, Chronicles--and was amazed that anyone thought this was a book of ethics and morals. A book of 3/4 of a million words that didn't contain some beautiful passages would be utter tripe. However, cherry-picking a few of those--which have been used and reinforced since childhood, so there's no way to measure their literary impact without the cultural context--doesn't prove that the book as a whole is a masterpiece of literature. |
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I have to agree that the discussion has gone beyond the stated topic and has begun to veer into the realm of Politics and Religion, so I must relunctantly put a stop to all discussion of all religious books in this thread, even as literature. Any further mentions of religious scriptures—whether pro, con, or neutral—will be deleted without notice.
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07-12-2013, 12:26 PM | #38 |
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Funny you guys mention Connie Willis's time travel works. I read BLACKOUT but not All Clear yet. I agree it is work, sometimes, to get through her novels. Her protagonists lean too heavily on 'comedy of manners' behavior. It was great fun at first, then tiresome, and now I just want the story to end. I found the Doomsday Book and To Say Nothing of the Dog more entertaining than BLACKOUT but maybe I was just burned out on her shtick by then.
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I didn't mean to invoke religion just to comment on another posters post. Word choice in a text can be a turn off I'd think certainly. If the author chooses the wrong words in presenting their story/argument then they are more likely to lose readers. I remember reading about an inferior quote from Shakespeare that was made from memory that is a good example.
Shakespeare: To be or not to be, that is the question... Inferior quote: To be or not to be, that is the point... Both quotes continue the text, but the original from Shakespeare reads a lot better. I can only imagine how unreadable a complete text of Hamlet would be with such changes. |
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In that, the famous "To be or not to be soliloquy begins: To be, or not to be, I there's the point, To Die, to sleepe, is that all? I all; No, to sleepe, to dreame, I mary there it goes |
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Wicked I read years before the musical. And the last one left (Casual Vacancy) is still on my TBR, although I'm not expecting a HP repeat. Quote:
I think this is most obvious when a big name genre author switches editors, for whatever reason. When the next editor works on their work, it is rarely as good, because the new editor usually has a case of Author Awe and doesn't edit as effectively/ruthlessly as the editor who was there from the beginning. Early fans complain that the author has jumped the shark, but odds are the writer was always this weak - their first editor pushed it beyond those weaknesses. From a reader standpoint, I've recently noticed that the my favorite books usually end with an author giving lengthy, detailed thanks to their early readers and editor for helping them read and edit the book to its current state. Maybe I'll start skipping to the acknowledgements before I start reading. In terms of what makes me abandon a book, for fiction, it's when the story stretches credulity past my breaking point (which is different for different genres). For non-fiction, if the book is misrepresented, or I don't trust the author's research. Last edited by simplyparticular; 07-13-2013 at 11:14 AM. |
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Interestingly, though, the "Bad Quarto" is regarded in itself as a pretty decent play, and it's quite often performed. It has the benefit of being much shorter than the "real" version.
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