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And I am not responsible for the expansion of the term. It's not my fault, for example, that the general purpose dictionary Merriam-Webster include for property "something to which a person or business has a legal title*". They also include specific (legal) definitions for intangible property and intellectual property. (And a rather circular definition of legal title as: "the means or right by which one owns or possesses property".) The point being that such use as (I think) was probably first established for business and financial purpose (the treatment of intangibles as property that could be used in trade) has become common enough to have made its way into general dictionary definitions. So arguing that copyright is not property is now similar to arguing that decimate does not mean to cause great destruction. Historically the word may have had a more specific meaning, but the world has moved on and the meaning has changed. |
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The copyright is a GIVEN permission, not an ACQUIRED one. And it's a TEMPORARY right. Exactly like a CONCESSION (the right to exploit land, its gold, oil, diamonds, ores, gems etc.).
I think that the society will react somehow when the ratio burdens:benefits will become on the long term unbearable. In social organisation this is called revolution. |
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IMPO, people are fine with copyright as long as companies don't start pushing the envelop more and more. If something like Star Wars verses Battlestar Galactica becomes the norm where similarities such as "The central conflict of each story is a war between the galaxy's democratic and totalitarian forces." is enough to trigger copyright protection, then that is going to cause major pain and push back. But of course, people being people, like the patent trolls, someone with money is going to eventually push the envelop. |
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Even the Supreme Court has recognized that they are going to need to address patents. They left it so long it's going to be a major effort to clean up. But there is a political will to address patents, mostly because of drug companies. I don't think there is a similar push to reform copyright. One restrain on copyright in the US is that while Disney may want to keep their copyrights, having Snow White in PD outside the US makes the attempt fairly moot. Prior efforts simply made copyright term more in line with the rest of the West. Once we start seeing major works such as Snow White, Gone with the Wind and Stagecoach enter public domain I think the whole copyright is property and belongs to the artist forever movement is going to lose a lot of steam. Who knows once the pressure by Disney lets up, the preservation movement will pick up again and they will finally do something about orphaned works. Last edited by pwalker8; 12-03-2019 at 08:16 AM. |
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You can see a possible example of the effect already with Agatha Christie: the first two books are not public domain anywhere except the US, but still I see editions on Australian sites that are priced so you can be pretty sure the copyright holder isn't getting their share. These are legit' sites, so I can only assume the copyright holder is not spending much effort on these books any more. Maybe they try harder in bigger markets, I don't know. We might suppose Disney (etc.) would find the US market large enough to try and actively protect their interests, but with so much being hosted offshore it will be next to impossible to stop without asking China for some help in developing national firewalls. * Except the bit that implies "is property" has anything to do with the "belongs to the artist forever" argument. The two aspects of this are unrelated. Those that believe copyright should stay with with the artist forever will still believe that even if you change the words. A rose by any other name etc. |
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A company has to pay more than the lousy 56 $ to file a patent, it's not automatically granted, it costs to "maintain" it after granting, and, more important, it lasts only 20 years since the filing date. Also a patent won't bring 80 million $ in the first weekend in movie theatres. ANd it's teritorially restrcited (or pay more to have it enforced also in Senegal, or China, or N Korea). But in one respect the patents try to emulate copyrights, they will eventually be applied to everything that is born out of the human mind. |
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It seems to me that very long copyright (including indefinitely prolonged, as suggested by Tubemonkey) is good for big business, while shorter copyright is good for small businesses, and no copyright (or so short that any investments become risky) is bad for most of us as it leads to less new art. If a company pays a huge sum for a franchise (like the 4 billion USD for Star Wars, as leebase mentioned in another thread), it will, naturally, want to get return for its investment. This means:
I don't think the same issues apply as much to books, maybe because the minimum investments are smaller? Behemoths like Harry Potter and Fifty Shades of Grey don't seem to have pushed out other books, instead they have made their genres more popular, and probably made more people into readers. So I'm returning to my suggestion from earlier in the thread: Quote:
As for the discussions about definitions of property, I frankly don't see the point. There's nothing inherently good (or bad) about property rights, regardless of whether we are talking about physical property, immaterial property, or real estate. We're hairless apes making up rules to make it easier to rub along with each other. The human rules about ownership are no more inherently good or right than the chimpanzee rules about status. |
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Not real sure what the purpose this post is suppose to be. In general, I don't click on links if I don't know what they are linking to.
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