Can I sell my K3 with my ill gotten books?

LoveBunny · 11-03-2010, 03:43 AM

Hi everyone!

I have a K3 that I would like to sell. I have a bunch of new release books on it that I have 'acquired' through other sources. I think it would up the value a bit if I don't remove them. This K3 has some buttons starting to fade so I contacted Amazon and they sent me a new one with updated ink on the keys so it shouldn't happen again. So I have till November 25th to send this one back and not get charged, or I can attempt to sell it for a small profit with books included.

After unregistering the K3 on Amazon can I sell it with the books included on it and not get in trouble? Any help would be great. Thanks!

Zerodime · 11-03-2010, 03:55 AM

You will most definitly get in trouble.

LoveBunny · 11-03-2010, 04:06 AM

I figured. Haha. After thinking about it some more, I realize that was a stupid question. But it would be nice. What a shame.

Thanks for your response!

curstpriest · 11-03-2010, 05:49 AM

lets be serious now, anyone could go to a popular torrent site with say, the picture of a pirate ship, and download gigabytes worth of books in a few minutes. Trying to sell this to make money...... well lots of sites DO do this.

I could point you to dozens of them that let you "read for free" on line. They have these little crappy HTML "Reader" containers that show page numbers (just EPUB wrappers) and let you forward/back pages 1 at a time. If you try to download the book, they ask for a few dollars via paypal.

This type stuff goes on ALL of the time. A lot of these sites are run from Russia, some from China, and other European countries...

JeremyR · 11-03-2010, 06:18 AM

Generally speaking, trying sell pirated items is pretty much the only way to land in jail from piracy.

Though realistically, it's generally only the most blatant cases that get caught...

wscott · 11-03-2010, 08:15 AM

You mainly just asked the wrong question. Not "Can I?", but "Should I?".
The answer is no you shouldn't.

Esquire1 · 11-03-2010, 08:59 AM

This thread slaps the face of the many authors on this forum. No one can stop you from stealing (read: not 'acquiring') but you don't have to flaunt it around.

On second thought, where and how are you selling the Kindle? Sell it to me. I want to buy it from you. I won't get you in trouble, trust me

Richey79 · 11-03-2010, 09:04 AM

Why not just return it to Amazon and get a refund? They'll barely ask for any reason at all; just say you tried it and it wasn't for you.

I don't think you're going to turn a profit by selling it as second-hand with illegal material on it.

kindlekitten · 11-03-2010, 09:13 AM

I don't think having pirated material on it would matter one way or the other. I also don;t think that using it as a selling factor would help

ProfCrash · 11-03-2010, 09:21 AM

I am baffelled by people who ask questions like this. So you are asking if you will get in trouble for selling a device with a "bunch" of stolen goods on them? Really? You think it might be problematic to sell stolen goods?

Just wow

hellraiser06 · 11-03-2010, 10:24 AM

WHY WOULD YOU WANNA SELL IT, WHEN YOU CAN RETURN IT FOR A FULL REFUND?

On topic, pirating stuff is one thing, but selling it is another. I mean, every single book available on Amazon is available on a torrent site. Many people just buy Kindle and use those books. Are they committing a crime? Yes. To what degree? Negligible as compared to other crimes, but criminal it is. Moral or Immoral? Immoral.

Now, Selling or even spreading this material around for free is a punishable offense and highly immoral. I mean, some people might understand that you dont have enough money to buy your books, so you download 'em illegally. But, spreading it around?!! Even selling it...?? Please dont.

To answer your question, I dont think you will get into trouble by doing this, but I would say, please dont do it.

Its like the difference between using and selling drugs.......

ProfCrash · 11-03-2010, 10:35 AM

Unless a book is offered for free by the author or publisher, downloading a book from an unauthorized site is illegal. It is the same thing as walking into a bookstore and walking out of the bookstore without paying for the hardback you stuck in your backpack. It might feel different since you are not physically walking into a store, looking around to see if anyone is watching, putting the book in your back pack, and walking out hoping not to get caught but that is only because you are sitting at home clicking a few buttons.

Shoplifting a book and downloading a pirated copy both mean that the store, the publisher, and the author do not get paid. Both are theft. This is not negligible. It might be a misdomeaner, depending on how much the book costs and how many you steal, but it is still theft.

Selling stolen material is simply a second crime that you are committing.

There is nothing legal or moral about either action.

hellraiser06 · 11-03-2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Selling stolen material is simply a second crime that you are committing.

And worse.

rogue_librarian · 11-03-2010, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Unless a book is offered for free by the author or publisher, downloading a book from an unauthorized site is illegal.

That's actually not as clear-cut as you make it out to be. It will depend on your jurisdiction and a few other factors. But lets put it this way: re-selling such downloaded material is illegal, and rightly so.

Quote:

It is the same thing as walking into a bookstore and walking out of the bookstore without paying for the hardback you stuck in your backpack.

Again, not quite. In your example you actually steal a tangible object (the owner no longer has it), in the first example you download a file (violating copyright, perhaps, but the owner still has it.)

Quote:

Both are theft.

I have to disagree. One is theft, the other (possibly/probably) a copyright violation. Equally objectionable, it might be argued, but not the same thing at all.

Logseman · 11-03-2010, 10:57 AM

I'd delete them if I were you. Reasons why: you won't get any greater value since everyone can get those works the same way you got them, and you'll be profitting from somebody else's work. The second part is most condemnable IMO.

11-03-2010, 03:43 AM	#1
LoveBunny Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Spotsy, Va Device: Kindle 3 Wifi	Can I sell my K3 with my ill gotten books? Hi everyone! I have a K3 that I would like to sell. I have a bunch of new release books on it that I have 'acquired' through other sources. I think it would up the value a bit if I don't remove them. This K3 has some buttons starting to fade so I contacted Amazon and they sent me a new one with updated ink on the keys so it shouldn't happen again. So I have till November 25th to send this one back and not get charged, or I can attempt to sell it for a small profit with books included. After unregistering the K3 on Amazon can I sell it with the books included on it and not get in trouble? Any help would be great. Thanks!

11-03-2010, 08:59 AM	#7
Esquire1 Banned Posts: 34 Karma: 90 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kindle 3 wifi; PRS-500 (gone); iPad NOT for reading e-books ;)	This thread slaps the face of the many authors on this forum. No one can stop you from stealing (read: not 'acquiring') but you don't have to flaunt it around. On second thought, where and how are you selling the Kindle? Sell it to me. I want to buy it from you. I won't get you in trouble, trust me Last edited by Alexander Turcic; 11-04-2010 at 04:20 AM. Reason: Profanity removed

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Zerodime Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 44 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle3	You will most definitly get in trouble.

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LoveBunny Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Spotsy, Va Device: Kindle 3 Wifi	I figured. Haha. After thinking about it some more, I realize that was a stupid question. But it would be nice. What a shame. Thanks for your response!

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curstpriest Confused Posts: 402 Karma: 5538 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: Kindle DXG	lets be serious now, anyone could go to a popular torrent site with say, the picture of a pirate ship, and download gigabytes worth of books in a few minutes. Trying to sell this to make money...... well lots of sites DO do this. I could point you to dozens of them that let you "read for free" on line. They have these little crappy HTML "Reader" containers that show page numbers (just EPUB wrappers) and let you forward/back pages 1 at a time. If you try to download the book, they ask for a few dollars via paypal. This type stuff goes on ALL of the time. A lot of these sites are run from Russia, some from China, and other European countries...

11-03-2010, 06:18 AM	#5
JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	Generally speaking, trying sell pirated items is pretty much the only way to land in jail from piracy. Though realistically, it's generally only the most blatant cases that get caught...

11-03-2010, 08:15 AM	#6
wscott Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 62 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle	You mainly just asked the wrong question. Not "Can I?", but "Should I?". The answer is no you shouldn't.

11-03-2010, 09:04 AM	#8
Richey79 mrkrgnao Posts: 241 Karma: 237248 Join Date: May 2010 Device: PRS650, K3 Wireless, Galaxy S3, iPad 3.	Why not just return it to Amazon and get a refund? They'll barely ask for any reason at all; just say you tried it and it wasn't for you. I don't think you're going to turn a profit by selling it as second-hand with illegal material on it.

11-03-2010, 09:13 AM	#9
kindlekitten Professional Adventuress Posts: 13,368 Karma: 50260224 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Olympic Peninsula on the OTHER Washington! (the big green clean one on the west coast!) Device: Kindle, the original! Times Two! and gifting an International Kindle	I don't think having pirated material on it would matter one way or the other. I also don;t think that using it as a selling factor would help

11-03-2010, 09:21 AM	#10
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I am baffelled by people who ask questions like this. So you are asking if you will get in trouble for selling a device with a "bunch" of stolen goods on them? Really? You think it might be problematic to sell stolen goods? Just wow

11-03-2010, 10:24 AM	#11
hellraiser06 Yaabbaa dabba doo Posts: 76 Karma: 5348 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: India Device: Kindle Touch wifi, Kindle 3 Wifi, Asus Transformer TF101	WHY WOULD YOU WANNA SELL IT, WHEN YOU CAN RETURN IT FOR A FULL REFUND? On topic, pirating stuff is one thing, but selling it is another. I mean, every single book available on Amazon is available on a torrent site. Many people just buy Kindle and use those books. Are they committing a crime? Yes. To what degree? Negligible as compared to other crimes, but criminal it is. Moral or Immoral? Immoral. Now, Selling or even spreading this material around for free is a punishable offense and highly immoral. I mean, some people might understand that you dont have enough money to buy your books, so you download 'em illegally. But, spreading it around?!! Even selling it...?? Please dont. To answer your question, I dont think you will get into trouble by doing this, but I would say, please dont do it. Its like the difference between using and selling drugs.......

11-03-2010, 10:35 AM	#12
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	Unless a book is offered for free by the author or publisher, downloading a book from an unauthorized site is illegal. It is the same thing as walking into a bookstore and walking out of the bookstore without paying for the hardback you stuck in your backpack. It might feel different since you are not physically walking into a store, looking around to see if anyone is watching, putting the book in your back pack, and walking out hoping not to get caught but that is only because you are sitting at home clicking a few buttons. Shoplifting a book and downloading a pirated copy both mean that the store, the publisher, and the author do not get paid. Both are theft. This is not negligible. It might be a misdomeaner, depending on how much the book costs and how many you steal, but it is still theft. Selling stolen material is simply a second crime that you are committing. There is nothing legal or moral about either action.

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11-03-2010, 10:57 AM	#15
Logseman Orisa Posts: 1,999 Karma: 1035571 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Device: Onyx Poke 5	I'd delete them if I were you. Reasons why: you won't get any greater value since everyone can get those works the same way you got them, and you'll be profitting from somebody else's work. The second part is most condemnable IMO.