03-13-2018, 09:38 AM | #1 |
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To Onyx: Stop using e-Ink! Use ClearInk instead!
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it's clear that e-ink technology cannot be the future of e-paper, so I think it's the time to work with ClearInk technology or others with video-capable and colors. https://www.clearinkdisplays.com/ |
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For what ClearInk ic concerned, that is of course very interesting, but last time I searched for info about them, two weekc ago, information was still scarce. Any product in any market, even kits? |
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They have stated that production will start in 2019. Oddly, the same promise that was made for the last couple of years. Looking at their website, there does not seem to a link for ordering samples, test kits or anything else. Until they have test kits ready to ship, how is a company supposed to start developing and testing much less manufacturing?
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"Stop using" a mature technology in favor of one that's little better than vaporware? Onyx would be insanely foolish to do so at least until they have an actual prototype in their hands to compare with e-Ink. Has anybody seen a third-party comparison of the rival techs?
Also, what's so breathlessly important about "video-capable and colors" in an eReader? I use my eReader to read novels -- static, black and white text novels. I would suspect that most people for whom V-C&C are important have long since bought themselves a smartphone phablet or tablet. Yes, if somebody could develop a tech that implements V-C&C well (by which I mean competitive with LCD & OLED), in a reflective/low-power product, there'd be considerable potential for these markets to converge with eReaders. But this has been attempted a number of times before, with underwhelming results, and products that have quickly disappeared from the market, so I'm not holding my breath this time around. |
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High framerates and the dimension of color (and battery efficiency) _are_ important for an always-ready display. Now, every criterion has a weight, and its value is contextual, and current options already offer a lot. The possibilities, needs and purposes are many, and it's a good thing that the scene is evolving in the macro area of displays and in the specific territories of single technologies and products. About ClearInk and the past attempts: they have an edge. In fact, they come after past failures. |
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and wins 2017 IDTechEx Award the company didn't give up and got big investment to make the first product in 2019. |
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There is certainly a lack of data on the web site. I was able to make a wiki page CLEARink and I finally somewhat figured out how they do color which is with filters like the E Ink Triton but there are no examples or even drawings to show how this is superior to E Ink. The big missing spec is DPI. It looks like they don't really intend a pilot by themselves but are wanting someone else to fund it. They don't even list eBook Readers as a planned product. Still it is interesting and worth following.
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I remember something like "washed out, but to be seen". Also, displays must be vetted in the cases: sunlight, outdoors, indoors, darkness. (Hence: to be seen.) One infographic suggested an hybrid - of moving particles under electric tension and LCD. EDIT2.2: they have developed both bistable and 33fps refresh rate displays, and the first "big" funding they received was for the latter - to have a product in the market - so it will be the latter to be initially propelled. It is cheap energy wise because it is not backlit and because the energy per pixel required is that needed to move a particle half a micron. For the "nightly" scenario, they have frontlight - which is apparently much more energy efficient than backlight (as one of their prominences stated, only around 10% of a backlight reaches the surface). It should be cheap to produce because it requires modifying only around 15% of an LCD manifacturing process, and abandons some of the steps (polarizer, backlight). Kits were expected to be available in January. These were info of around half 2017. Last edited by mdp; 03-15-2018 at 04:35 AM. Reason: The backlight efficiency data |
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Markus Reily of GoodEReader managed to explain remarkably well that otherwise possibly unclear technical name of the ClearInk technology, "TIR":
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My impression is that one of the heaviest migrations from dead-tree to eReading is in genre (i.e. Romance, SF&F, etc) fiction. I would therefore suggest that "the way {I} use {my} device" is hardly atypical.
I am questioning the unsubstantiated assumption that "video-capable and colors" are the Holy Grail of eReading. Quote:
What is the market for color on an eReader? Comic reading? If so, the colors on Clearink would have to be very vivid to compete with the OLED display on the tablet that I use for that format. If not, then the market needs to be articulated rather than simply assumed. I would also suggest that the very anemic response to earlier (admittedly imperfect) color technologies does not seem to indicate a large, pent up, demand for this feature on eReaders (as opposed to tablets/phablets/smart-phones, which already has it). Quote:
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I would also point out many uses of tablets/phablets/smart-phones, involving such things as as high-quality video playback, wireless and cellular communications, gaming, etc tend to have a fairly heavy battery draw, limiting the ability of a battery-efficient display to contribute to a battery-efficient device under such usage patterns. Quote:
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My *personal* priority list for feature improvements on eReader displays
ADDENDUM: This was assuming that eInk's current 300ppi could be matched -- according to this post, ClearInk is currently only "106 dpi". At that resolution, resolution would jump up to number one in my issues list. Last edited by Hrafn; 03-15-2018 at 01:27 AM. |
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I would also point out that, to the extent they are targeting eReading (as opposed to Wearables, Smartphones/Tablets, Signage, Automotive displays and Electronic Shelf Labels), ClearInk is specifically targeting the "eSchoolbook" niche, rather than products Onyx is currently selling.
A couple of relevant comments from The Digital Reader blog: Quote:
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