How Green is My iPad - NYT Article

[Cabe]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...04opchart.html

Appologies if this is a repost, but I did a quick search and couldn't find it.

[Graham]

Interesting. One should also consider that for each owner the payback needs to be reached for each device owned. I read 60 ebooks on my Gen3 before it died, but now have to reset the counter to pay back the ecological cost of my Elonex.

Hmm.

Graham

[Cabe]

I have read nearly 80 books in the 18 months of owning my Sony, so I think I have made an impact already.

I wonder what would happen to those figures if you factor in resell for books and readers.

[fugazied]

That's one of the reasons why I very rarely sell my devices, I give them to family members who I know will look after them.

One good thing about Apple gear is that they have a pretty decent recycling program (take your old laptop into an Apple store and they will properly recycle it). Also their products have gradually been becoming greener - http://www.apple.com/environment/

A LOT of energy went into making my Kindles, Macbook Pro, Windows PC, iPhone and iPad. Even optimists say that we only have another 80 years of oil, and these products can't even be built without oil or consumed and abandoned in such a reckless fashion without oil to make the plastic components and fuel the trucks shipping this stuff at a very low cost.

Hopefully one day soon they will invent some better battery technologies, because they are pretty nasty as far as pollutants go.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

It’s also important to keep in mind that we’re focusing on the e-reader aspect of these devices, not any other functions they may offer.

This is exactly why their assessment against the iPad is essentially inaccurate: You must take into account all of the areas for which a multi-use device such as an iPad replaces other devices, such as a camera and photographs, CDs, DVDs, playback equipment, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention the fact that comparing one iPad to one book is ludicrous.

When done properly, the environmental assessment is a no-brainer: Multi-use electronic devices always win. Their method should only be used against dedicated reading devices like the Kindle.

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by fugazied

. Even optimists say that we only have another 80 years of oil, .

:r ofl:

Listen to political scaremonger hacks much?

:r ofl:

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Phogg

:r ofl:

Listen to political scaremonger hacks much?

:r ofl:

Make up your own mind:

http://odac-info.org/welcome

The majority of analysts believe that peak oil production has either already happened or will happen before 2030, with a lot of weight behind us reaching the peak in the next five to ten years. See the chart on p50 of:

http://www.feasta.org/documents/risk...ping_Point.pdf

With oil production declining after that, and population and the global economy still expanding, it doesn't really matter when it actually runs out. Things will start to bite sooner than you think.

Graham

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by Graham

Make up your own mind:

http://odac-info.org/welcome

The majority of analysts believe that peak oil production has either already happened or will happen before 2030, with a lot of weight behind us reaching the peak in the next five to ten years. See the chart on p50 of:

http://www.feasta.org/documents/risk...ping_Point.pdf

With oil production declining after that, and population and the global economy still expanding, it doesn't really matter when it actually runs out. Things will start to bite sooner than you think.

Graham

Two advocacy sites with all the unbiased legitimacy of CRU.
Neither of which mentions that only the iceberg tip of petrolium ever existed outside of shale (Which is hardly tapped) and that it has taken the world since 1853 to use what has been used.

Nor did I see any mention that petrolium is formed naturally under the ocean bed and is still being formed in quantity.

Looks to have a lot of the same funding as the Anthropomorphic Global Warming crowd, with the same intellectual standards.

I think I will pass.
Actually, I will pass it on to more people who will enjoy lampooning it.

[dmaul1114]

Come no, no need for political debates in an e-book news forum. Take it to the Lounge if you have to discuss it here.

There's enough animosity over e-book formats, screen types etc. without getting people arguing politics on here!

[Graham]

Feel free, Phogg. As I said, make up your own mind.

But perhaps consider that the cost of oil is dependent on the cost to process it, and the cost rises as less accessible sources are tapped.

Graham

[Graham]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Come no, no need for political debates in an e-book news forum. Take it too the Lounge if you have to discuss it here.

Good point, sorry.

Graham

[Teddman]

Anyone else take that headline to mean 'green' as in 'money'?

As in how much the NYTimes can wring out of the iPad by running article-ad hybrids on it every day and pushing its new iPad subscriptions?

[wigm]

Originally Posted by Teddman

Anyone else take that headline to mean 'green' as in 'money'?

As in how much the NYTimes can wring out of the iPad by running article-ad hybrids on it every day and pushing its new iPad subscriptions?

That I can agree with!