Neptune Crossing - Jeffrey A. Carver - Page 16

JSWolf · 04-09-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

A proper working <pre> tag should wrap at the right edge. A few implementations do this for devices that can't scroll. It is still useful to provide pseudo tabbing etc.

Dale

But with ADE, it doesn't wrap at the right. It just gets pushed off to the right off the screen both in ADE for Windows and ADE for Sony. So using <pre> with ePub is a bad idea at present. Just use <div> and <br /> for line endings. That works for wrapping lines properly.

starrigger · 04-09-2009, 04:38 PM

Fantastico. I'm quite preoccupied with proofing texts for the forthcoming ereads reissues and new editions. I thought I'd be done by now!

DaleDe · 04-09-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But with ADE, it doesn't wrap at the right. It just gets pushed off to the right off the screen both in ADE for Windows and ADE for Sony. So using <pre> with ePub is a bad idea at present. Just use <div> and <br /> for line endings. That works for wrapping lines properly.

Yea, I understood that from the beginning. I was just remarking that <PRE> in and of itself should be ok if the bug in ADE is fixed. <br /> usage is fine but means every line needs to be edited. which can be a drag.

Dale

JSWolf · 04-11-2009, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

Yea, I understood that from the beginning. I was just remarking that <PRE> in and of itself should be ok if the bug in ADE is fixed. <br /> usage is fine but means every line needs to be edited. which can be a drag.

Dale

<pre> is meant to not wrap. So when creating ePub, it should never be used.

pilotbob · 04-11-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

<pre> is meant to not wrap. So when creating ePub, it should never be used.

I wouldn't say "never" but <pre>formatted text is the antithesis of flow layout. <pre> means retain this formatting exactly. It is usually used for charts or source code in programming books.

But, for a standard text book that you want to flow, I agree <pre> is not a good choice.

BOb

JSWolf · 04-12-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

I wouldn't say "never" but <pre>formatted text is the antithesis of flow layout. <pre> means retain this formatting exactly. It is usually used for charts or source code in programming books.

But, for a standard text book that you want to flow, I agree <pre> is not a good choice.

BOb

The <pre> tag was used by whomever made the ePub edition of Neptune Crossing and if you change the size of the font, it will have sections that will not wrap. So for ePub, <pre> is never a good idea. ADE does not handle lines longer then the screen. So in that case, never is the correct word to use.

DaleDe · 04-13-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

I wouldn't say "never" but <pre>formatted text is the antithesis of flow layout. <pre> means retain this formatting exactly. It is usually used for charts or source code in programming books.

But, for a standard text book that you want to flow, I agree <pre> is not a good choice.

BOb

However it is in the list of required features for ePUB and can be useful if it is implemented correctly, i.e. obey the format but wrap if it the line is longer. Not a bad compromise. You can't just say not to use it as the standard permits it.

Dale

pilotbob · 04-13-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

However it is in the list of required features for ePUB and can be useful if it is implemented correctly, i.e. obey the format but wrap if it the line is longer. Not a bad compromise. You can't just say not to use it as the standard permits it.

Dale

Yes, I agree. It was Jon that was saying to "never" use it.

BOb

JSWolf · 04-13-2009, 11:33 AM

The reason to never use the <pre> tag in ePub is that ADE does not wrap a <pre. tag and ADE does not have a scroll bar to scroll. So what you get is the line cut off if the line is lone enough to not fit fully. a <div> tag with <br /> will work and wrap as need be. I know this is a flaw in ADE. But since <pre> does not work well in some cases, it should not be used.

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starrigger Jeffrey A. Carver Posts: 1,355 Karma: 1107383 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Massachusetts, USA Device: Lenovo Yoga Tab Plus, Droid phone, Nook HD+	Fantastico. I'm quite preoccupied with proofing texts for the forthcoming ereads reissues and new editions. I thought I'd be done by now!

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JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,027 Karma: 129333114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The reason to never use the <pre> tag in ePub is that ADE does not wrap a <pre. tag and ADE does not have a scroll bar to scroll. So what you get is the line cut off if the line is lone enough to not fit fully. a <div> tag with <br /> will work and wrap as need be. I know this is a flaw in ADE. But since <pre> does not work well in some cases, it should not be used.