Eeek. Rim Playbook is ripped a new one - Page 2

RockdaMan · 04-19-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I missed your argument against my statement.

RockdaMan · 04-19-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

To purposely have a negative review in place before you are ready to test a product is what I was referring to.

Thats akin to slander...and calling them unobjective and ethically challenged.

kennyc · 04-19-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

I missed your argument against my statement.

I said exactly what I meant to say.

boswd · 04-19-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

Thats akin to slander...and calling them unobjective and ethically challenged.

not really, Apple almost forces people to give them good reviews, if you don't you get on the their 'bad list" and they don't send you the official review products in advance. So basically your review is out 2 weeks after the all the other reviews had been done.

but it this way David pogue and walt Mossburger and the people at Engadget will never be on their "bad list"

boswd · 04-19-2011, 10:45 PM

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Nah it's always been that bad. When MS was waring against OS/2, MS played the media to really skew reviews. The media killed OS/2, not much has changed. It's smart marketing, something Google has not learned.

Apple plays the media well and does a lot also to get bad press removed. Do you recall the PC adds a few years back, what can you buy with $1000. Businessweek wrote an article which showed Apples execs demanded that MS stop those adds. MS claimed they would not stop running the adds, interesting enough at the time the article was written the ads quit playing.

=X=

Do you remember last year when Ellen had to apologize to Apple on air after doing a skit "making the iPhone seem difficult to use" ?

WillysJeepMan · 04-20-2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

I hate to be a tin foil hat conspiracy theory guy but the mainstream media does really seem to have it's weight squarly in Apple's corner and seems like it's doing it's best to make sure apple products remain on top.

I don't know how anyone can use both Blackberry's UI and Android's Honeycomb UI and still think tha iOS is better. I don't get it all. You can only say " it's simple to use", for so long. But at some point if these tablets are going to be the future you are going to have to have a full functioning multi use UI . iOS is an app launcher and THAT IS IT.

For somebody who claims to hate to be a tin foil hat conspiracist you are doing a stellar job.

The RIM Playbook is shipping WITHOUT email and contacts capabilities and yet you'd rather believe that the mainstream media is in Apple's corner rather than look to RIM's brain-dead decision to ship a device without critical functionality. The media would have to exhibit a clear anti-Apple bias to do anything less than trash the RIM Playbook as it currently is shipping.

If you believe that iOS is merely an app launcher then you don't understand what operating systems and user interfaces are.

tubemonkey · 04-20-2011, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by darknessangel

RIM said that the e-mail app was coming "very,very soon" but I say... DAMN!

B&N said the Nook Color app store was coming very soon...

tubemonkey · 04-20-2011, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

Do you remember last year when Ellen had to apologize to Apple on air after doing a skit "making the iPhone seem difficult to use" ?

Or the Gizmodo incident? Soon enough, Apple will have its own jackbooted police force to ensure device compliance.

kennyc · 04-20-2011, 07:53 AM

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Or the Gizmodo incident? Soon enough, Apple will have its own jackbooted police force to ensure device compliance.

Godwin's Law Prevails!

RockdaMan · 04-20-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

not really, Apple almost forces people to give them good reviews, if you don't you get on the their 'bad list" and they don't send you the official review products in advance.

Thats not true. Pure urban myth.

It would be well publicized by said media outlets if Apple tried to pull a stunt like that.

pphilipp · 04-20-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

Let's just say it's getting harder and harder to find an "Truley" non biased objective websites out there.

Bias doesn't get any worse than in the forums. All it takes is a couple read-throughs and you quickly see where most people stand... and they won't waver with their opinions, right or wrong.

pphilipp · 04-20-2011, 11:24 AM

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Well if you like the Playbook's UI so much you might also want to look into the HP TouchPad. Playbook stole heavily from WebOS UI. (BB exec so much as admitted in doing so).
=X=

I took a look. Not bad. Not great either.
Probably dead before launching.
It doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
It's OS almost seems to be a cross between iOS, Android, and a little of this-n-that thrown in.
If they can sell it at $300 they might stand a fighting chance...
otherwise, why even launch a weak-market tablet?

=X= · 04-20-2011, 11:32 AM

It looks like Playbook has exceeded analysts expectation. RIM moved more than 50K units.

more...

RIM has a strong following and this product was tailored just for their clientele.

=X= · 04-20-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pphilipp

I took a look. Not bad. Not great either.
Probably dead before launching.
It doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
It's OS almost seems to be a cross between iOS, Android, and a little of this-n-that thrown in.
If they can sell it at $300 they might stand a fighting chance...
otherwise, why even launch a weak-market tablet?

No not DOA, not even close. HP is fully committed to the webOS, it's probably the best human interface on the market, what stalled webOS was Palms poor marketing and limited resources. HP doesn't have these limitations.

BTW it's not a surprise Android and Playbook look so much like the webOS. Android snagged up the lead designer for Palm when the company was acquired by HP and RIM pretty much admitted they stole the gesters and cards concept from them. As for looking like the iOS, not sure how? The launcher pad is a pretty common concept I use to have one back in the WinMo days.

boswd · 04-20-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pphilipp

Bias doesn't get any worse than in the forums. All it takes is a couple read-throughs and you quickly see where most people stand... and they won't waver with their opinions, right or wrong.

yeah but forums are us "joes" we don't make a living in that arena.

If I wrote for Engadget and was in charge of reviews, I have an ethical obligations to be as objective as possible.

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04-20-2011, 11:32 AM	#28
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	It looks like Playbook has exceeded analysts expectation. RIM moved more than 50K units. more... RIM has a strong following and this product was tailored just for their clientele.

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