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Come on folks. People aren’t going blind reading on lcd tablets. LCD tablets are why eInk has plateaued and why color eInk remains “coming real soon”. And color eInk isn’t going to be cheaper than lcd's. The education system ANYWHERE is not going to usher in the long awaited color eInk era.
The reason CLEARInk is talking like they do is in the VAIN attempt to define a market where their product is needed and which LCD wouldn’t already meet the need. Ergo, really sunny climates with poor access to electricity. It’s ludicrous. It’s not going to happen. You heard it here first |
06-30-2019, 12:02 AM | #167 |
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Nope. Since I'm not reading on LCD tablets I'm not going blind by reading on them. But I have no interest in CLEARink either. If some folks want CLEARink color, though ... more power to them. More choices are good.
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How do you know? In fact, given your statements, you suggest having wasted your sight to a point of not being able to see that LCD is inadequate.
You should have noticed that nowadays a large amount of marketing managers and designers are increasingly partial to worshiping satan. A web page using "font-weight: 300; color: #666;" *will* make you blind. Even, of course, in the comfort of your 26'' desktop, calibrated lighting, controlled environment (in normative theory). That it does make you blind infinitesimally means nothing, not just because "infinitesimal times by infinite equals definite", but chiefly because you are supposed to be able to notice perceptually (feedback) and intellectually that the eyes ain't happy. The same goes for reading on the vastest majority (read: "all") of the electronic devices I have used. None of them can fully eliminate reflection. That you read on a device and even a minor shade of the background is visible is not good for your sight (and more). Currently, I am actually using a laptop with a big black umbrella facing its screen to achieve decency of visual quality - local optimality, not certified adequacy. And this given, the basics reiterated ad nauseam remain: -- LCD technology fights environmental light, which is at most a patchy solution: reflective uses environmental light, which is ceteris paribus clearly better; -- TIR technology is power conservative when compared to LCD, which is certainly an important advantage; -- LCD implementations are clearly not "use anywhere" oriented, while CLEARink is focusing on portability, which is a very sensible direction.* ** *While, I must note, many manufacturers are selling, literally, mirrors - what was used to fool aboriginals. That were not so fool to start writing on them. **(EDIT: "sensible" for a market that probably does not involve you, so accept it that you have no use for skydiving equipment if you like the sea or scuba if you are soluble or whatever and realize it and leave divers be) Again you are referencing a market that you are interested in referencing, as in a "strawman". As I suggested, many people nowadays are reading on mirrors: that does not make them a parameter (that makes them a non-parameter) - only for certain "marketing" people. In fact, "people" have probably never, nowhere been a normative parameter. It normally takes psychologists to appear to assume that. What are you talking about? This is TIR, not E-Ink. TIR should be cheaper than E-Ink and reasonably close to LCD. Quote:
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And, with all due respect, I think and feel that you (happening to be the commenter) or many others taking CLEARink seriously or not will not dent reality much. If the message is "don't hold your breath", well, in a world where "Don't dry the cat in the microwave" saves feline lives a number of people probably will be spared of asphyxiation. Last edited by mdp; 07-05-2019 at 02:52 PM. |
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07-05-2019, 02:50 PM | #171 |
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It's not just colour: chiefly also framerate; reflectivity, low lag and decent refresh, colour, and improved power efficiency open or improve the possibility of use-anywhere displays to access information effectively (mobile OS, "desktop [more complete]" OS) anytime. Beyond sequential book reading (for that EPD is already happily fulfilling), the matter here is, for many of us, improving mobility on standard nowadays' "Memex-es" (say, your laptop), which are hardly (most probably not) optimal in visual quality and battery efficiency.
Just pointing it out because just mentioning colour seems to skew the solution a bit. Of course, any subset of the solution/s is then usable. |
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Sadly "economies of scale" is going to cancel out the fact this tech SHOULD be cheap. I'd happily replace all LCDs I own with reflective tech (might not be great for TVs but I don't have one). I hate backlighting. But it's going to be years likely before they even have a usable and available product (based on the delays so far) and that's apparently going to be a small tablet. Getting this tech to computer displays etc is going to be so far off some of us will be dead.
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Keep the dream alive....pipe dream that it is. Three years from now we will be saying the SAME thing we said three years ago. Any day now...
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A screen with faster refresh rate (for example) that is not in production is no more beneficial to the end consumer than a slower screen that is likewise not in production. Has it occurred to you that the problem may be something that cannot be overcome by further tweeking of the prototypes, e.g. the economics of the manufacturing process (cost, yield rates, etc), or lack of sufficient interest from device manufacturers to go into full production? Quote:
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I will express it again for clarity: the expression "They will never make it" is useless, as would be any opposite statement. That you «take ClearInk seriously» or not is "Ah, well, noted". Quote:
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But it is an interesting note: the production of TIR based units is said to be only slightly more expensive than that of LCD, but we are used to the prices that follow extreme mass production for LCD... Once you get the first things out, engineering modifications should be a breeze in comparison. |
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The only people that really experienced reflective displays are book readers that tried e-ink on all possible light conditions. My big android e-ink reader alwas impress people if i'm browsing a news website in a park. Most would like to use a tablet in direct sunlight, just watch all idiots trying to see a whatsapp message will crossing the damn street. If you don't know that something is possible, you don't ask for. |
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Further news came three days ago: the producers of front-light for CLEARink will be FLEx.
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Thanks. I'm looking forward to seeing an actual product sometime in 2020.
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I'd probably also gladly use it as an auxiliary reading device, outside and inside the room, instead of the backlit lcd tablets and notebooks, for the color recognition, faster note taking, faster zooming, various dictionary apps/ebooks, encyclopedias etc. while simultaneously reading on the slower eink screens.
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