Weird Overdrive message

SeaBookGuy · 04-17-2011, 11:27 PM

We got our monthly batch on the 15th, so I checked out a few and put others on my wishlist. Well, yesterday, four of them were there, but with a red message like "This item no longer available" - anyone else seen this happen? No way they were Random House that had 26 checkouts in three days!

CWatkinsNash · 04-17-2011, 11:49 PM

Strange. The only time I've had a similar message was when a book was pulled because there was a problem with the file (missing pages or something). I only know that because I really wanted to read the book so I sent an email asking if/when it would be available. They instructed me to put it back on hold so that when it was available I would be notified. (Was about three days, IIRC.)

SeaBookGuy · 04-18-2011, 12:00 AM

Thanks -- I was able to put holds on those books!

CWatkinsNash · 04-18-2011, 12:08 AM

Awesome! Hope you get them soon!

SeaBookGuy · 04-18-2011, 12:34 AM

I'm 8th of 8 on one of them - two copies @ 3 weeks max each - others should be fairly quick.

FizzyWater · 04-18-2011, 03:42 AM

About half a dozen books with that message in my Wishlist now. I haven't bothered to delete them, and now I'm thinking I should leave them. I assumed they were Random House books that had been ordered prior to April 1, then "cancelled" by the library because of the stupid 26-use limitation.

SeaBookGuy · 04-18-2011, 10:06 AM

I got the distinct impression that books already in the system on April 1st don't have that limitation, only "forthcoming" ones.

Catlady · 04-18-2011, 10:35 AM

Don't you mean HarperCollins?

SeaBookGuy · 04-18-2011, 10:44 AM

I went back and checked, and these were all HC books - one after April 1st, and the others earlier, one was in the system long before their recent announcement.

CWatkinsNash · 04-18-2011, 10:57 AM

Even if they didn't change the licensing on the existing HC titles, they may have had to update the book record or somesuch.

I'm still unclear on how the HC limitations work in practice. Not very well, apparently. It seems like a major pain for Overdrive and especially any librarians who have to deal with the fallout. I haven't been to my eLibrary since before all this, mostly because I have more books than I will ever read already. I only use it when I have a hankering for a book that would cost too much to buy.

SeaBookGuy · 04-18-2011, 11:05 AM

We wouldn't see it, but it was mentioned that the affected HC titles will be put in a separate folder/location, so that librarians cannot confuse them with "regular" ones. You may be right that if they just updated the system for this, a glitch caused the message to appear for all HC books in the system, period. In that case, I guess it'll be the future notice for those who have it on wishlists after the 26th checkout ("Sorry, you missed out!") - there won't be a listing in their library's catalog at all to go back and order from.

Sydney's Mom · 04-18-2011, 03:57 PM

I also recieved several such messages when the new CPL books came out on the 5th. i deleted them, and a few days later, I tried again, and didn't get the message. If they are HC, I'm disappointed - I hoped CPL was boycotting.

SeaBookGuy · 04-18-2011, 05:51 PM

Check the "date added to system" -- it's possible your library has added books that were in the system as of the announcement, with regular, unlimited loans - isn't it the 26'ers that should be avoided?

FizzyWater · 04-18-2011, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catlady

Don't you mean HarperCollins?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04-17-2011, 11:27 PM	#1
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	Weird Overdrive message We got our monthly batch on the 15th, so I checked out a few and put others on my wishlist. Well, yesterday, four of them were there, but with a red message like "This item no longer available" - anyone else seen this happen? No way they were Random House that had 26 checkouts in three days!

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04-17-2011, 11:49 PM	#2
CWatkinsNash IOC Chief Archivist Posts: 3,950 Karma: 53868218 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fruitland Park, FL, USA Device: Meebook M7, Paperwhite 2021, Fire HD 8+, Fire HD 10+, Lenovo Tab P12	Strange. The only time I've had a similar message was when a book was pulled because there was a problem with the file (missing pages or something). I only know that because I really wanted to read the book so I sent an email asking if/when it would be available. They instructed me to put it back on hold so that when it was available I would be notified. (Was about three days, IIRC.)

04-18-2011, 12:00 AM	#3
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	Thanks -- I was able to put holds on those books!

04-18-2011, 12:08 AM	#4
CWatkinsNash IOC Chief Archivist Posts: 3,950 Karma: 53868218 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fruitland Park, FL, USA Device: Meebook M7, Paperwhite 2021, Fire HD 8+, Fire HD 10+, Lenovo Tab P12	Awesome! Hope you get them soon!

04-18-2011, 12:34 AM	#5
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	I'm 8th of 8 on one of them - two copies @ 3 weeks max each - others should be fairly quick.

04-18-2011, 03:42 AM	#6
FizzyWater You kids get off my lawn! Posts: 4,220 Karma: 73492664 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Device: Oasis 2 and Libra H2O and half a dozen older models I can't let go of	About half a dozen books with that message in my Wishlist now. I haven't bothered to delete them, and now I'm thinking I should leave them. I assumed they were Random House books that had been ordered prior to April 1, then "cancelled" by the library because of the stupid 26-use limitation.

04-18-2011, 10:06 AM	#7
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	I got the distinct impression that books already in the system on April 1st don't have that limitation, only "forthcoming" ones.

04-18-2011, 10:35 AM	#8
Catlady Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,345 Karma: 52398889 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip	Don't you mean HarperCollins?

04-18-2011, 10:44 AM	#9
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	I went back and checked, and these were all HC books - one after April 1st, and the others earlier, one was in the system long before their recent announcement.

04-18-2011, 10:57 AM	#10
CWatkinsNash IOC Chief Archivist Posts: 3,950 Karma: 53868218 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fruitland Park, FL, USA Device: Meebook M7, Paperwhite 2021, Fire HD 8+, Fire HD 10+, Lenovo Tab P12	Even if they didn't change the licensing on the existing HC titles, they may have had to update the book record or somesuch. I'm still unclear on how the HC limitations work in practice. Not very well, apparently. It seems like a major pain for Overdrive and especially any librarians who have to deal with the fallout. I haven't been to my eLibrary since before all this, mostly because I have more books than I will ever read already. I only use it when I have a hankering for a book that would cost too much to buy.

04-18-2011, 11:05 AM	#11
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	We wouldn't see it, but it was mentioned that the affected HC titles will be put in a separate folder/location, so that librarians cannot confuse them with "regular" ones. You may be right that if they just updated the system for this, a glitch caused the message to appear for all HC books in the system, period. In that case, I guess it'll be the future notice for those who have it on wishlists after the 26th checkout ("Sorry, you missed out!") - there won't be a listing in their library's catalog at all to go back and order from.

04-18-2011, 03:57 PM	#12
Sydney's Mom Wizard Posts: 2,895 Karma: 6995721 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Idaho, on the side of a mountain Device: Kindle Oasis, Fire 3d Gen and 5th Gen and Samsung Tab S	I also recieved several such messages when the new CPL books came out on the 5th. i deleted them, and a few days later, I tried again, and didn't get the message. If they are HC, I'm disappointed - I hoped CPL was boycotting.

04-18-2011, 05:51 PM	#13
SeaBookGuy Can one read too much? Posts: 2,015 Karma: 2487799 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Naples, FL Device: Kindle PW 3, Sony 350 and 650	Check the "date added to system" -- it's possible your library has added books that were in the system as of the announcement, with regular, unlimited loans - isn't it the 26'ers that should be avoided?