02-18-2013, 09:21 AM | #211 | |
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02-18-2013, 09:47 AM | #213 |
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What about browsing in several stores, then buying in the one that offers the lowest price or the best service? How is that different from browsing both in store and online, then deciding to buy online?
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I have no problem with paying for services including browsing for books. When I lived in the U.S. I would have paid an annual membership to be a "member" of The Tattered Cover Bookstore in Denver and in the local bookstore, The Stone Lion. I realize some understand that all services and products must be paid for but not by them.
Whether it would be a good business plan or not, I'm not sure. Depends on the management, I think. I can imagine a local bookstore, with rooms for book clubs of members to meet, hosting authors for talks and signing books, hosting creative writing classes, and other services might be able to have a members bookstore with occasional browsers paying. When I was in a book club we would deliver our list of books to the local bookstore and they would order all the books, bundle them, and sell them to our members at a discount. That's a service I value. |
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It just seems wrong to me to take advantage of a shop if you have no intention of buying from it. Just comparing prices, or choosing one shop over another because of better service, better information or whatever is a different thing. I know when I bought my last TV I did a lot of research online beforehand, but when I eventually went into a shop to buy it (I wanted to be able to see it in action first), I felt it only fair to buy it from the shop despite it being a little cheaper online. But the fact is, it was still competitively priced, if it had been a lot dearer I'd probably have walked out without buying it.... It's all about intent for me..... that's not so bad, so is murder! Last edited by soulfuldog; 02-18-2013 at 11:08 AM. |
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02-18-2013, 11:35 AM | #216 | |
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I view this as "dishonesty" in the same way as players in a game of poker are dishonest; they're all acting on hidden information and the other players are trying to guess what that is while acting on their on hidden information for their own self interest. It's not so much dishonest as much as it is the very nature of the game. Business owners aren't children; they' don't need to be coddled and protected by reinventing morality. |
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I just don't see how the reverse scenario, of using a physical store then buying online is any worse from a morals perspective. Maybe your browsing at a physical store costs that store more money than browsing a physical store, but so what? The physical store setup their business that way, costs and all; it doesn't become a question of morals simply because some arbitrary cost threshold gets crossed. It seems like people are imputing morality where there is none so they can feel better about their own shopping preferences. Feeling one form of shopping is better than another (shopping in-person vs. online) because it supports local businesses is all good, but saying that preference is morally superior rather than just a preference seems incorrect to me. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 02-18-2013 at 11:46 AM. |
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02-18-2013, 06:00 PM | #218 |
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02-19-2013, 05:17 AM | #220 | |
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But no - I used a review website and forums for most of my research, online retailers were mainly only for a quick price comparison. Though I'm sure I must have read some user reviews on Amazon too, but since they don't pay the tax they should in the UK, my moral standards are intact (well at least in this one instance )! |
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It's not a strawman, it's a question directed at another poster so I can understand where they place the threshold line between right and wrong in the scenario they described. And to quote my new favourite poster (taustin): "If you're not going to read what I've posted, or don't (or can't) understand it, there's no point in trying to have a disccusion [sic] with you."
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And when you do that, the impression you convey is that you agree with at you're not bothering to answer. (You do get bonus poinst for the passive/aggressive, childish spelling flame, though.) |
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02-19-2013, 01:24 PM | #224 | |
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My premise was that it's possible for someone to reasonably view lookie-loos as being unethical. His response, consistently, has been that I'm wrong because it's possible for such behavior to not be unethical. There is no connection between the two statements. I never said it wasn't possible for it to not be unethical. He's never actually denied that it's possible for it to be unethical. He's simply not reponding to what I said. He's arguing with what he apparently wishes I'd said instead. Last edited by taustin; 02-19-2013 at 01:26 PM. |
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I (mistakenly it seems) thought our discussion was over. You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine, you then suggested I was too stupid to follow your points, at which point I posted a (fairly hilarious, IMHO) picture of Emperor Palpatine. I guess I just assumed that we'd have to agree to disagree about the issue, and whether or not I have the basic reading comprehension skills necessary to follow your points. The poste above that you responded to with an accusation about a strawman argument was in response to theinfamousj, not to you. I thought that was fairly clear from quoting theinfamousj's post, but that's always easy to miss when you've worked up a full head of steam. As a bonus apology, I'm sorry you took my accurate quote of yours as a dig against your spelling. In future, I will avoid using "sic" in quoted text, and will bear full responsibility for any and all misspellings in the quote; it's a heavy burden to bear, but I bear it cheerfully to help maintain MobileRead's atmosphere of camaraderie. As even more compensation to you, I've purposely placed two typos in this post! You may quote those with a "sic" if you wish; I am at your mercy on this one. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 02-19-2013 at 04:19 PM. |
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