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So here's a question.
If, as Issy seemed to imply, no good deed such as a book that people get enjoyment from reading, can act as a means of redemption for that author why allow them to be members of society if they're still among the living? They've already doomed themselves to a life of condemnation and shame with no hope of redemption/reformation. Personally I believe that redemption is possible, while no act can totally wipe away acts such as child abuse, especially if it's of a sexual nature, humans are not just a single aspect of their lives. And while a book, or several books, will certainly not wash their hands clean it should still be taken as a measure of the person they were/are. |
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Speaking of redemption, a mystery author Anne Perry comes to mind. I admit I didn't read her books before becoming aware of her history; I came upon an article mentioning her and bought a few of her novels after learning about her crime (historical mysteries being one of my favorite genres). Do I think her novels redeem what she did? No. But they're still good books, in my opinion. |
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I applaud reading widely. If looking for the anti-racist bits, in a novel that has passages we should disapprove, helps the quest for exposure to diverse literature, I favor it. Maybe now I'll get to King Solomon's Mines. That means I should also read Decolonising the Mind, although it sounds like hard going. |
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So far as your above quoted statement is concerned, you seem to be confusing respect for someone's choice with agreeing with that choice. To respect someone's right to choose must involve respect for the choice they make, as opposed to agreeing with that choice. What you describe is not how moral suasion, hopefully or not, works. It is how moral shaming works. Last edited by darryl; 07-14-2020 at 07:51 PM. |
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07-14-2020, 08:09 PM | #158 |
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Perry isn't really a good example because she's paid her debt to society and is unlikely to kill again, nor are her books particularly related to her ancient crime.
The thing about Rowling is that she's massively wealthy and influential, and people want to raise awareness that she is not Jolly Children's Book Writing Woman, but is in fact Dedicated Bigot Woman, and that her influence in society should be limited accordingly. This is only possible if people know she's a bigot, and because of the aforementioned wealth and influence and Disney wanting to make her IP into movies, this requires some sustained yelling. People don't have to be ashamed of liking Harry Potter, but they should be wary of magnifying Rowling's position and influence. |
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I read a lot of books where I disagree with the author's view. I have no idea how one can hold an informed opinion if one doesn't. As someone who enjoys history, I've read a number of books by people I consider despicable. Albert Speer comes to mind. I've even read extracts from Mein Kampf. I don't know how you can claim to have any understanding of the lead up to WW II without doing so. |
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That's the whole point. Most problematic authors' books are not particularly related to their crimes or misdeeds. Certainly MZB's books are no more related than Perry's (yes, she has a pedophile as a character, but Perry has murderers as characters).
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Some of the discussion seems to be venturing at cross purposes, where some people are talking about a book that might be considered problematic rather than the author. The two don't always go together, or not obviously, which is largely how this thread got started.
Certainly there are reasons why we might choose books containing problematic (to the reader) themes. For example - as pwalker8 suggests - to try and better understand history, or political situations. But if the books do not contain problematic themes then it only becomes a matter of whether we feel disposed to express our disapproval of the author with our actions - like deciding not to shop at a business we don't like. This may come at some personal cost, but it's our choice to pay it if we feel that is the right thing to do. However, once an author is dead we can no long directly support them as individuals, so the question of whether it is right or wrong to do so no longer pertains to that person - unless we feel inclined to also punish their descendants/beneficiaries, and that seems problematic to me. |
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I don't know what books may have influenced Rowling's opinions you don't like, and she might even find the one I'm going to recommend too extreme. But the last book I finished was this new title that Amazon is half-canceling (they sell it but refuse its advertising dollars): Irreversible Damage I found it to be surprising moderate and well-written considering the kind of publishing house that released it -- and not at all bigoted. And if the free preview is enough to convince you otherwise, I welcome your sharing a book, about the subject, you loved as much as I loved this one. P.S. Is this post going too far? Maybe, I fear. But Ross Douhat's latest column (see paragraph 10) convinced me that the way I have been posting -- generally in favor of free expression without giving any examples of unpopular ideas worth defending -- might be cowardly. |
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You are making an assertion without offering proof. You are also assuming that the modern African scholars you quote do not have their own political agenda which is skewing their opinions. Y |
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I did not think "The Queen of Sheba's Ring" as good as "King Solomon's Mines" either. Have a look at "Eric Brighteyes' . If you have not read it as it is a Viking story and goes nowhere near Africa. |
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The more I read this thread, the more I'm happy that I am completely anti-politically-correct. I'll read anything I like. Some here must take years to choose their next book to read, what with all the research, discussion and agonizing decision making about the author. I'm perfectly content to not even remember who the author is, without cheating and looking at the book cover. I haven't read the Harry Potter books yet, I'll get around to it someday, and when I do I won't give a rats a$$ that Rowling apparently hates [.... -ed]
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