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Old 07-12-2017, 03:43 AM   #1
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Can one borrow a US public library e-book to a Kindle PaperWhite device via Wi-Fi without using any other computer or electronic device?

I mean the whole borrowing process is initiated and completed on PaperWhite connected to the Internet via Wi-Fi.

Assuming that the library does have e-books in the Kindle format.

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Not very helpful advice. I am in Canada now and need to drive a few hrs, open a library account, etc.
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Not very helpful advice. I am in Canada now and need to drive a few hrs, open a library account, etc.
but to the point unless you count the device your driving "another computer or electronic device".

You did not include the initiation of a new account using only the Kindle as part of your requirements. Only the 'borrowing from a US public library (while located in a foreign country)'.
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Can one borrow a US public library e-book to a Kindle PaperWhite device via Wi-Fi without using any other computer or electronic device?

I mean the whole borrowing process is initiated and completed on PaperWhite connected to the Internet via Wi-Fi.

Assuming that the library does have e-books in the Kindle format.

Thanks!
Here are the steps you need to follow to do that.
First, drive to the US, then rent or buy a property, wait 30 days, then go to the library and get a library card.
Otherwise, I think the answer is no. I don't know of any US libraries that allow out of country borrowing.

*The US does not have a library system. Every library is different. For example: if you have a New York City library card (not sure exactly what their library is called), you cannot use it to borrow a book from say the Midland County Library in Texas. Now there are interlibrary loans but they cost and you have to go through the library you have a card with.
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Well, in the US, county-wide library systems are common.
But nothing country-wide or international.

Wayne County Library System serves the entire county.
But even though Wayne County is just a short swim across the Detroit River from Canada, the e-books evidently don't float.

Note; Wait for your back to dry off before you go into one of their libraries to sign up for a card.
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I don't know of any US libraries that allow out of country borrowing.
The library has no idea where in the world my Kindle Keyboard is when I borrow a book.

As for the OP question -- I think the answer is yes, but I don't recommend it.

To borrow a Kindle format book with DRM -- and almost all popular library books have DRM -- you need to visit two web sites:

1. A localized Overdrive.com, such as https://brooklyn.overdrive.com/

2. www.amazon.com

Using my Kindle Keyboard, I can get to both. Therefore, with great patience, and some difficulty, I can borrow a book using WiFi -- or even just the local cell phone network -- in most of the world, using the device alone. I did it once or twice.

As for the PaperWhite, overdrive.com is blocked when you are connected over a cell phone network. But with WiFi, I think you should be able to do it.

However, regardless of what eInk Kindle model one has, it is far easier to do from a PC due to a combination of eInk browser limitations, and the demise of mobilizing web sites that once made that browser bearable. (Bearable to me -- most here always disliked it.)

P.S. I wonder, though, what happens when your Kindle is registered to www.amazon.ca. A Canadian, with an American library card, would need to tell us if that is a problem. If might be necessary to have the Kindle registered on the American Amazon portal. If amazon.ca is a problem, though, I don't think it would matter where the Canadian is, in the world, at the moment.

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The library has no idea where in the world my Kindle Keyboard is when I borrow a book.

As for the OP question -- I think the answer is yes, but I don't recommend it.

To borrow a Kindle format book with DRM -- and almost all popular library books have DRM -- you need to visit two web sites:

1. A localized Overdrive.com, such as https://brooklyn.overdrive.com/

2. www.amazon.com

Using my Kindle Keyboard, I can get to both. Therefore, with great patience, and some difficulty, I can borrow a book using WiFi -- or even just the local cell phone network -- in most of the world, using the device alone. I did it once or twice.

As for the PaperWhite, overdrive.com is blocked when you are connected over a cell phone network. But with WiFi, I think you should be able to do it.

However, regardless of what eInk Kindle model one has, it is far easier to do from a PC due to a combination of eInk browser limitations, and the demise of mobilizing web sites that once made that browser bearable. (Bearable to me -- most here always disliked it.)
You misread my post. I said the library won't loan to a resident that doesn't live in the US.
Do you know of a US library that he can get a library card from?
I am assuming you have to give the library an address that matches your identification.
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You misread my post. I said the library won't loan to a resident that doesn't live in the US.
Do you know of a US library that he can get a library card from?
I am assuming you have to give the library an address that matches your identification.
Unless something has changed, which it could have as I haven't kept up on the matter, Free Library of Philadelphia allows cards for non-US folks (you can order online/by mail). There's an entire thread around here somewhere discussing various options for US libraries for non-US residents (of course I can't find it right now).
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Unless something has changed, which it could have as I haven't kept up on the matter, Free Library of Philadelphia allows cards for non-US folks (you can order online/by mail). There's an entire thread around here somewhere discussing various options for US libraries for non-US residents (of course I can't find it right now).
I vaguely remember that thread but I was thinking it was out of county or out of state residents, not non-country residents.
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Wow people, did anyone consider that possibly the OP was trying to find out it was possible so they could set up a parent or someone who does live in the U.S. with a Paperwhite (a Kindle which they may not yet own so even if they were in the U.S. they wouldn't be able to try it and see if it works anyway and maybe only intend to buy one if what they asked about works)? Seemed like a pretty straightforward question being asked and somehow the thread has been sidetracked by irrelevant assumptions/questions.
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Can one borrow a US public library e-book to a Kindle PaperWhite device via Wi-Fi without using any other computer or electronic device?

I mean the whole borrowing process is initiated and completed on PaperWhite connected to the Internet via Wi-Fi.

Assuming that the library does have e-books in the Kindle format.

Thanks!
I just tried to access my counties OverDrive library on a Paperwhite 3 I borrowed for a minute and the site started to load, but then crashed the browser (on multiple tries).
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Wow people, did anyone consider that possibly the OP was trying to find out it was possible so they could set up a parent or someone who does live in the U.S. with a Paperwhite (a Kindle which they may not yet own so even if they were in the U.S. they wouldn't be able to try it and see if it works anyway and maybe only intend to buy one if what they asked about works)? Seemed like a pretty straightforward question being asked and somehow the thread has been sidetracked by irrelevant assumptions/questions.
Not when they said they were in Canada and would have to drive a few hours to a library in the US to set up the account.
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I vaguely remember that thread but I was thinking it was out of county or out of state residents, not non-country residents.
I think that when the library has a liberal policy regarding issuing visitor cards, and also has a policy of requiring "State ID," librarians would vary in whether they consider an Ontario driver's license to be State ID.

Just googling a bit, here's a hard-to-get-to library that doesn't mention State ID:

https://www.nantucketatheneum.org/us...-library-card/

When applying for a card, I mention that I'm only going to use the eBook collection. Mentioning this might alleviate librarian concern you are going to leave the country with a book and never return it.

In a few cases, there's an unwritten, but computer-enforced, policy disallowing visitors Overdrive privileges.
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