Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > News

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-26-2021, 07:40 AM   #1
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 63,334
Karma: 103125649
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 4, iPhone SE 2020, PW3
Ereader screens are about to get a big upgrade

https://www.techradar.com/news/eread...BT=94351463061

Quote:
The company that makes the screens for the most popular ereaders has just announced a new technology that will make reading on electronic paper displays a better visual experience, while also possibly bringing down the cost of the devices.

E Ink's new On-Cell Touch ePaper is a module that comes with the touch sensor built into the screen itself. Before this, the touchscreens we're so familiar with on ereaders had the touch sensor laminated above the E Ink displays – working as a separate component of the device.

This small change, according to E Ink, will make ereader screens a much better visual experience, with text becoming sharper, clearer and with better contrast.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 12:00 PM   #2
Sirtel
Wizard
Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Sirtel's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,119
Karma: 144226240
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Estonia
Device: Kindle Oasis 3, Nook Glowlight Plus 7.8'', Kobo Libra H2O
That's good news.
Sirtel is online now   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 05-26-2021, 01:05 PM   #3
tomsem
Wizard
tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,614
Karma: 13224309
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Device: iPhone XS, Kindle Paperwhite, iPad mini
This is the actual E Ink news release:

https://www.eink.com/news.html?type=...ar=2021&page=1

Quote:
In terms of optical performance, black and white ePaper display modules with E Ink's On-Cell Touch see a 30% increase in the contrast ratio of black and white content, providing readers with clearer text content. When used with E Ink Kaleido™ Plus, the color contrast ratio and color saturation increase by 40% and 15% respectively, providing an enhanced display for color eBook and eTextbook content.
tomsem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 01:25 PM   #4
hobnail
Running with scissors
hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hobnail ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 1,080
Karma: 12203626
Join Date: Nov 2019
Device: none
Hopefully the price won't be a lot higher.
hobnail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 01:46 PM   #5
tomsem
Wizard
tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,614
Karma: 13224309
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Device: iPhone XS, Kindle Paperwhite, iPad mini
Quote:
Originally Posted by hobnail View Post
Hopefully the price won't be a lot higher.
They are saying BOM will be lower.

And maybe Kaleido screens will finally be good enough for Amazon and Kobo to release a color device.
tomsem is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 05-26-2021, 02:46 PM   #6
Pajamaman
Wizard
Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Pajamaman's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,357
Karma: 7760437
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Canada
Device: Onyx Nova
It says touch is integrated directly into the e-ink panel so producers won't need to add a touch layer. It will already be there, so it will save on cost, and the lack of the extra panel will make the screen clearer. I guess it might look like an IR touch screen, which IMO are clearer than capacitive.
Pajamaman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 02:51 PM   #7
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 5,398
Karma: 41652447
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Glo HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pajamaman View Post
It says touch is integrated directly into the e-ink panel so producers won't need to add a touch layer. It will already be there, so it will save on cost, and the lack of the extra panel will make the screen clearer. I guess it might look like an IR touch screen, which IMO are clearer than capacitive.
But they are still adding a layer, which would make it theoreticaly look worse then IR?
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 02:53 PM   #8
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 5,398
Karma: 41652447
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Glo HD
They used the terms ereader and enote; has enote been msntioned before?
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 02:58 PM   #9
Quoth
the rook, bossing Never.
Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Quoth's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,265
Karma: 23635074
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Ireland
Device: Both Kinds: epub based makes and Kindle
It can't be as clear as IR, because NOTHING is there with IR.
Based on difference between original Aura HD H2O and Kobo Libre (or Kindle PW3) all of which I have I can't see this being as good as the "original Aura HD H2O", but no doubt a little better and cheaper than a separate touch panel as there would be one less layer.

So a small incremental improvement compared to best capacitive touch eink. You won't notice any difference if you use the front light and I doubt it will make ereaders any cheaper. The capacitive touch layer isn't expensive, so a small saving to OEM.

I welcome this, but it's a small incremental improvement and the figures are suspect compared to a decent touch panel. There is no doubt that the PW3 and Libre are not as bright with no front light as the IR based "original Aura HD H2O" but both are better than the PW4 in ambient indoor light.
Quoth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 02:59 PM   #10
tomsem
Wizard
tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.tomsem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,614
Karma: 13224309
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Device: iPhone XS, Kindle Paperwhite, iPad mini
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F View Post
But they are still adding a layer, which would make it theoreticaly look worse then IR?
They claim it is 30% better contrast. If there’s a layer, it is not occluding the display, which is the existing Carta/Kaleido (maybe it is below that layer).

Last edited by tomsem; 05-26-2021 at 03:02 PM.
tomsem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 03:00 PM   #11
Quoth
the rook, bossing Never.
Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Quoth ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Quoth's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,265
Karma: 23635074
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Ireland
Device: Both Kinds: epub based makes and Kindle
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F View Post
But they are still adding a layer, which would make it theoreticaly look worse then IR?
Yes, it WILL be poorer than IR. But IR is expensive, slower, less resolution and more power consumption. It's amazing it works as well as it does. Originally only used for tile sized user selection on CRT based retail displays.
Quoth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 04:03 PM   #12
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 63,334
Karma: 103125649
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 4, iPhone SE 2020, PW3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quoth View Post
Yes, it WILL be poorer than IR. But IR is expensive, slower, less resolution and more power consumption. It's amazing it works as well as it does. Originally only used for tile sized user selection on CRT based retail displays.
My H2O's (6.5 years old) battery is still doing pretty well. The IR Touch works very well.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 04:08 PM   #13
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 63,334
Karma: 103125649
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 4, iPhone SE 2020, PW3
The thing I question is this only a color screen or is there a version without color?

Click image for larger version

Name:	On-Cell%20E.png
Views:	74
Size:	541.6 KB
ID:	187356

This shows a color layer. There is no picture without a color layer.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 04:42 PM   #14
DNSB
Bibliophagist
DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DNSB's Avatar
 
Posts: 13,506
Karma: 65527815
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Vancouver
Device: Kobo Forma, Clara HD, Nexus 7 HD, iPad Pro, Tolino epos
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F View Post
They used the terms ereader and enote; has enote been msntioned before?
Enote seems to be a reference to larger screen modules.
DNSB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2021, 04:44 PM   #15
DNSB
Bibliophagist
DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DNSB ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DNSB's Avatar
 
Posts: 13,506
Karma: 65527815
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Vancouver
Device: Kobo Forma, Clara HD, Nexus 7 HD, iPad Pro, Tolino epos
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSWolf View Post
The thing I question is this only a color screen or is there a version without color?

Attachment 187356

This shows a color layer. There is no picture without a color layer.
The press release clearly mentions black and white:

Quote:
In terms of optical performance, black and white ePaper display modules with E Ink's On-Cell Touch see a 30% increase in the contrast ratio of black and white content, providing readers with clearer text content. When used with E Ink Kaleido™ Plus, the color contrast ratio and color saturation increase by 40% and 15% respectively, providing an enhanced display for color eBook and eTextbook content.
They don't show a picture of the B&W screen but wouldn't look much different, just remove the colour filter layer.
DNSB is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Aura owner, is the H2O a big upgrade Desdinova Kobo Reader 15 08-19-2015 03:25 AM
EReader big four jbcohen General Discussions 16 09-15-2014 07:16 PM
Big eReader - some advice needed 2holdon Which one should I buy? 14 06-12-2014 07:57 AM
The Ereader big four jbcohen General Discussions 30 01-24-2014 06:27 PM
Why I want a big screen ereader Daithi News 84 12-03-2010 07:04 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:01 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.