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Great. In what exactly? They're behind the curve on everything: generic China Inc hardware, limited/buggy software, small ebook catalog, small active customer base, poor support apps on PC/Mac, tainted brand. Even Nook hardware owners are buying their ebooks from Kobo or Google. What can he do to get Kobo buyers to switch? Kindle users are likely to be Prime users and/or have deep ebook libraries by now. Apple users are also not in play. Doesn't leave much market in play. The market has moved on and Nook is an afterthought. It's not 2010 when the market was wide open and the B&N name had value. Today most ebook shoppers are committed to one walled-garden or another. Sure, they can invest to make things better for their remaining Nook owners, get them to buy from them instead of Kobo. But that isn't going to do much for them. They might advertise like crazy to remind non-enthusiasts they still exist and try to bring in some newcomers to eBooks but that isn't going to move the needle. Daunt is giving ebooks lip service because he needs whatever money he can generate to keep the B&M stores open. The lockdowns haven't exactly filled the stores with bored shoppers. Things were bad before, they're much worse now. What he can do is OEM a new ereader from China and hire an India code shop for better software. And then what? Nook is hardly bigger than Google these days and Google isn't even trying. You don't fix ten years of mismanagement by throwing money at the problem and instantly fix it. It might even be too late to fix, going by their last sales reports. It's good he's not killing it outright but let's not kid ourselves, Nook has to go a long way to be even as relevant as Kobo. There's no magic bullet. He doesn't have much to work with and much bigger problems to deal with, too. The entire publishing industry too: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/...-in-april.html Quote:
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And let's not forget Nook doesn't sell their ebooks outside the US. I've no idea if opening their ebook store to the international customer would help them even a tiny bit, but it would sure be better than continuing like they have.
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06-15-2020, 11:36 AM | #19 |
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Boy did I waste a bunch of money on Nook before switching. Once a loyal customer switches, it is no small thing to get them back. To my ear it just sounds like he is trying to repair damage from his last Nook statement while the remaining hardware is sold off. Without saying what and how he is committed to Nook, it is empty words. I can not imagine B&N winning me back.
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The problem is that series info can't be added for sideloaded books because the database is not accessible by Calibre (that's what I was told when I asked about it in the Nook forum). |
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06-15-2020, 12:18 PM | #22 | |
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There's places where commercial, interoperable ePub matters more than in the US. The UK isn't one of those places, though. Of course, Kobo is already there. |
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The big question near term isn't Nook but rather how many storefronts they can retain post lockdowns. https://bookriot.com/2020/03/30/barn...es-400-stores/ Not all will reopen. Quote:
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As to what to invest in: Improve the firmware, make it easier for folks to download their purchases. Sell Nooks at his other bookstores. Your argument about Nook being in a hole that is impossible to get out of reminds me of Wired's Pray cover for Apple. They were seen as ready to go down the tubes in 1997. I'm not saying that I expect B&N, much less Nook, to do a similar turn around. But I do think your assumptions about Nook's doomed future don't add up to a whole lot. |
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What it means the reader is an off the shelf design they add Nook software from India and silkscreen the brand on. It isn't a matter of quality but of involvement. Earlier, Nook used to design the feature set and software themselves so they controlled what made a Nook "Nook". Now they just write checks. Incrrasingly smaller ones, at that. As for the Apple comparison, Microsoft isn't going to come in throwing $200M cash infusions togive life support to a competitor. First, becase they're not competitors and second because they already tried and B&N failed to live up to their end of the deal. Again: how about listing who is going to throw money at a fading book retailer? Who *has* the money and will? Nobody offered much for B&N pre-crisis. Indigo isn't rushing in (did tbey even finish the one store in New Jersey?) I'm not playing taps; just pointing out they are facing a bad situation at a bad time in a bad business. I do think taps will come soon enough because the price the current owners paid was less than market value for the warehouses. Nook, B&N.com, and the storefronts actually reduced the purchase price. Back in 98, when B&N was riding high, the offered to buy the Ingram warehouses for more than what all of B&N cost now. https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/...-for-600m.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/barnes-...tt-management/ $600M vs $476M. The Ingram deal was blocked because it would've given B&N an effective monopoly on pbook distribution. And Baker and Taylor sas still around. They've since gotten out of the business. So the bottom line is nobody wants B&N and thd big publishers are ready to see it fold. They've taken steps to limit their losses if it happens. Plus tgey have their own problems. There is no magic bullet, no Microsoft willing to prop up the investment of a bunch of money guys. If B&N survives it will be on their own. And it won't be Nook that saves then. Look at the last numbers, from before the crisis: https://www.bloomberg.com/press-rele...ancial-results $92M hardware and content sales for the full year. (eBook sales are probably less than Fictionwise was doing when they bought them.) Out of $3.6B in sales for all of B&N. In a business generating around a couple billion in ebooks alone, in a world where KU *paid* authors nearly $400M. I just don't think Nook can be made relevant again. The hole is too deep. Last edited by fjtorres; 06-15-2020 at 01:18 PM. |
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For me, the Nook reading experience doesn't compare to the Kobo. For me, "reading experience" is being able to set font, font size, line spacing, margins, ... to something that I like. The eink Nooks is too limiting.
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Nook software still needs a lot of work, but to me they don't need to tinker with the reading experience too much. |
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06-15-2020, 04:01 PM | #29 |
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I started off with a Nook and then switched to a Paperwhite. As an Overdrive borrower and only very occasional buyer, I would never switch to a system that forces me to tether to a cord to get my library books. The affordable 8in Nook was tempting but the thought of dealing with ADE and tethering to my laptop killed any interest I had. Kobo and Amazon are so far ahead on the process of downloading an OD book--Nook will never compete.
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I remain of the same general opinion I’ve had on this for some time. Sell the user base to Kobo with some kind of deal that provides benefits to BN. Have Kobos in the BN stores. It gives Kobo a better foothold than Walmart. Sure BN could go under but even if it does Kobo still reaps the benefit of any device sold at a BN store. BN doesn’t carry the weight of developing or paying for the development of hardware and software but still gets to sell ebooks and get a sliver of the pie. Yes it could be less than they’re getting now but they’d be spending less since R&D would be on Kobo as would support. BN should train store employees on Kobo (better than they did on Nook which wouldn’t be hard) and actually try and leverage the in store support. I think Nook is too tainted and twisted up with the bad PR from the older tablets specifically the nook color which had shoddy power cables. The experience might be as Zod says it is, but BN needs a better than good product if they expect to get anywhere with Nook. They’re going to need another frontlight level feature and they’re going to need to beat Kindle and Kobo to the punch by a not small amount of time. Or they can leverage their footprint in the US, the fact that their customers are much more likely to be readers than the average Walmart customers, and team up with a company who has the deeper pockets of Rakuten behind them. |
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