04-20-2020, 04:02 PM | #16 |
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Gah! So you can tell I've researched this so long ago I've forgotten most of it. Mobile phones didn't exist nor PDAs, never mind smart phones or ereaders. I did have a computer. With 8" floppies. |
04-20-2020, 04:17 PM | #17 |
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Grateful for this topic as for the longest time I mistakenly thought a concordance was essentially just a "dumb" index, e.g. "instances of a term" rather than a properly curated index.
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HA! Trick question, although maybe not here on MR. 99% of people will only have used soft-sectored, and both single/double density, I'd hazard a guess. Hard sectored aren't going to be known to those users. Ah, the olden days when 8" was, well...8". (evil grin here...) Hitch |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong%27s_Concordance and google is awash with answers to what is the last word [amen], the shortest verse [Jesus wept} and the answer to every trivia question that you could dream up... I am not seeing any corroboration for " concordance contains [only] the " important" stuff - it does seem to contain everything, but with some human assistance to separate multiple use words like bear ( verb) vs bear ( animal) which a dump indexer would not pick up. Maybe I was wrong to suggest a concordance maker could add bias. ok - back to the far more interesting debates on which side should your floppy disc be buttered, how many floppy discs does it take to store a bible , with or without a concordance, etc. |
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Touché, sir!
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Alrighty, then. Good to know. (sigh). [quoteok - back to the far more interesting debates on which side should your floppy disc be buttered, how many floppy discs does it take to store a bible , with or without a concordance, etc.[/QUOTE] In which time period? ;-) (insert evil grin here) Hitch |
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and Mr Strong "got religion" badly enough to build his concordance, BY HAND 1. In 2. the 3. beginning ... ... 783,137. Amen Jesus wept. |
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Have you seen the size of the full size Oxford Dictionary?
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Though the Z1 computer was in 1939 and Lyons Tea & Cake shops ran its first business application in 1951, computers were not used much before mid 1960s in publishing and book preparation. They gradually crept in during the 1970s, with the first Home Computers being from about 1976, five years before the IBM PC. Some authors still use CP/M, developed in the 1970s. I'd not go back to paper or a typewriter. I had to type my reports on a purely mechanical typewriter in the mid 1970s. Some Bible Concordances were done in about 2 years by one individual. Commentaries have taken several life times to complete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Henry He didn't actually quite complete it and he used other sources without crediting them, including Jewish Commentaries. See Mishnah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnah and Gemara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemara So anyway, putting any species of Bible translation, concordance and dictionary together and publishing it used to be VERY expensive. Starting point now is cut off binding, sheet feed on industrial scanner and OCR. Then you can tell the difference between proofed properly and just hacking it out from IA / Wayback machine. Unless you are crowd sourcing, proofing that, even with computers, is expensive. I remember in the 1960s my dad getting "plates" made for the illustrations and photos of a magazine. Different company to the one typesetting (with real moveable type). Ah, we don't know how lucky we are! You ever tried writing and reading cuneiform on clay tablets, or a bamboo brush on rice paper? I've made and used a quill, actually easier than a cartridge fountain pen to write nicely with, if you can cut the quill with your … penknife. The ones sold today as penknives are useless, a scalpel or similar craft knife is good. |
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So how many floppy discs needed for the full Oxford? PS I worked at a computer bureau for a few months in late1970s writing typesetting code in Fortran. They did not do Bibles but they had contracts for some enormous shipping lists, encyclopedia stuff that needed annual updates. And had lots of embedded tables. The compiled fortran code drove the presses, as I recall, so if you messed up your widows and orphans subroutines or whatever and no one noticed in testing ,it would all have to be pulped and done over. Dunno why Fortran was used. It was some weird Unisys flavor, not IBM, all based on 6 bit bytes , and 36 bit words, not 8 bit. There was no concept of modular design, if a new book order came in you were given the spaghetti code for the most similar previously done book and told to hack it to fit. Head programmer had an aversion to subroutines, liked if....goto... nests. And some of us programmers had to join national Union of journalists and pay union dues, else the presses would not roll. |
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