12-11-2012, 01:57 PM | #31 | |
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12-11-2012, 03:42 PM | #32 |
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You know what, it bears repeating that even though the window will be shrinking, you can still get half-a-dozen or so books for about three bucks apiece if you're willing to pre-order. Baen gets to keep their best deal - and with the shrinking window, the deal itself has just got better.
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12-11-2012, 05:05 PM | #33 |
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So Baen no longer the poster child of a successful and profitable e-book business standing apart from Amazon? A beacon to other publishers? An argument against the reality of all-powerful Amazon?
Looks like Baen might still end up in those particular discussion threads, but perhaps utilised by the other side of the debate. |
12-12-2012, 05:44 AM | #34 |
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The booklinks on Goodreads don't automatically vary with the book's publisher, they can be customized by every user (using edit profile > book links) for the stores that one prefers to use (Baen is an option).
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12-12-2012, 09:49 AM | #35 |
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12-13-2012, 07:19 AM | #36 | |
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I just said I hate the clauses _like_ the one Apple forced on publishers. I didn't say this is in anyway related to Apple nor that apple were the first to do so. It's just that everyone tends to know about MFN clauses _because_ of Apple and the recent DoJ investigation, so I mentioned Apple in case someone didn't know what clause I was referring to. It's an easy case to google for arguments about MFN. Last edited by JoeD; 12-13-2012 at 07:27 AM. |
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12-13-2012, 07:22 AM | #37 | |
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There's a reason stores can sell products as a loss leader or reduced price, Amazon do it all the time (it's what kicked up the fuss about moving to agency in the first place), supermarkets do it all the time to get feet through the store. Lot of fuss over several high profile game releases this year that were sold well below cost for a few days at various supermarkets to get people in the store. Much like with publishers, the game companies complained that it would devalue their products. |
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12-13-2012, 07:28 AM | #38 |
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I understood Bill to be saying that book retailers wouldn't be happy if Baen sold books on their own (Baen's) site at a lower price than they were supplying those book to the retailers at. That's a very different situation to a retailer deciding to sell something as a loss leader.
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12-13-2012, 07:45 AM | #39 |
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That is the wholesale/retail model. But Baen is both. so their retail side can't have sales, like other retailers, because they're part of the wholesaler?
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12-13-2012, 07:45 AM | #40 | |
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It's MFN when applied across the same layer that is an issue, ie between retailers. Although i still think Baen should be free to sell on their own site at any price they like. Amazon provide more value added services, the price is a little higher because of it. Edit: Dumped the rest of the text since it's only going to cause circular arguments Last edited by JoeD; 12-13-2012 at 07:58 AM. |
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12-14-2012, 01:07 AM | #41 | |
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I have in my library some very old Baen paperbacks. In the back of those, where most mass pbs have some advertising, Baen offered to sell books by mail. The prices they listed undercut the cover price. As a result (for a period anyway), most retailers stopped ordering Baen books in retaliation. This experiment only lasted a couple of months, as I understand, Baen stopped the sell-by-mail, and things went back to normal. With that corporate history, Baen doesn't want to get frozen out again. The only way to do this now (that I can immediately think of, anyway) is to have a coupon code, which is never posted on the same page as the actual book listing. You'd probably have change it regularly, and probably have at least some periods where it's not available. That way, a big retailer can only web-scrape the list price, and not the coupon price. The only real effect this will have on me, is to force me to buy ahead. You can browse the publishing schedule at Baen for months ahead, so it's never supposed to be a surprise. And you can buy monthly bundles for almost a year in advance. Once purchased, you should still be able to download any time, when they finally become available. In the past, I was just lazy, and never bought the bundle until it was already available to download. |
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12-14-2012, 09:18 AM | #42 | |
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I don't know about with Baen, but I suspect Amazon doesn't tell them if/when a book will go on sale. And the general reader has no idea who sets sale prices so it's confusing for a lot of people. So then I get emails asking why it's not on sale at B&N. Right after I tell them I don't control the sale price, B&N will match...which is great, but makes me look like a dork. |
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12-14-2012, 12:23 PM | #43 |
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I have no problem with the new pricing for Baen. They've done their best to make ebooks affordable for us for years, and the various omnibus editions have always been a bargain. If this deal helps to ensure that they stay in business as a viable concern, then more power to them. Too many of the small publishers have already gone out of business, with the resultant tie-ups in publishing rights that has prevented upcoming books from being released. I'd hate to see that happen to Baen.
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I will most probably buy more Baen books if they are available at Amazon since I buy most of my ebooks from them because they have the most convenient delivery among the stores that sell books to me.
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