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08-16-2017, 05:46 PM | #137 |
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Unfortunately, this type of activism is succeeding in silencing opposing views in all sorts of areas, not just books. Some of the worst examples seem to occur in Universities, certainly in the US and Australia. The best course may be to largely ignore this Twitter group. I'm not entirely convinced one way or the other. Though I am leaning towards a need to speak out against this type of behaviour, at least when it does escape from the confines of its own echo chamber or where it in fact looks like it has a realistic prospect of succeeding. Whilst the publisher in this case did defend the book and refuse to yield, publishers and authors are understandably most sensitive to being accused of any type of prejudice. Mud sticks. This type of controversy can lead to more sales, but it also has the potential to do real damage to the business concerned.
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I read about a serial killer in a newspaper some years ago. The killer said in court that he had been influenced by fantasy books, among other things. Should we ban all fantasy books because someone who read them went crazy and started to kill people? Should we ban crime novels and movies (or action flicks, etc.) because they trivialize murder and might influence some people to think it's ok to kill? Should we ban horror movies?
Banning fictional books and subjects is a very slippery slope, I'd say. For the most part of our history most people have been illiterate. That didn't stop them from abusing one another or do all sorts of cruel things. Not allowing people to read something wouldn't do so either. |
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To pretend that it can be simply--let alone objectively--agreed upon that certain books definitely romanticize, trivialize, and otherwise make light of, horrendous real-life human behavior is not being particularly honest. Last edited by DiapDealer; 08-16-2017 at 06:34 PM. |
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It is part of normal life to be exposed to material that offends and upsets us. Often this material challenges us as well, and occasionally causes some to re-think their positions. Reading is not compulsory. Hurt and offence from a book is easily avoided. Don't read it. Last edited by darryl; 08-16-2017 at 06:15 PM. |
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As for your first question: I explained that. See the second sentence of the comment you quoted. |
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08-16-2017, 07:02 PM | #144 |
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Not critics. Sheep. And not censorship. Justified criticism.
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It all depends on the phrasing. Saying I don't think this book is worth reading will carry more weight that no one should read this book. Heck, I think Julie and Julia is rather unreadable because the language is distracting. Note: I didn't say you shouldn't read it just it shouldn't be read in my opinion. I would have thought the publisher would have cleaned it up a bit. Though To me, your second sentence is still saying no one should read this book. |
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I've been reading this thread for days, trying to think about how to answer this question without getting into topics best left for the P&R forum.
With that in mind, I'd have to say that "yes, it should be okay to condemn a book without having read it". I cringe even typing the words, but I do believe people have a right to think and say what they want. I don't have to like it or act on it, although I'm sure I've agreed more than once (e.g., I pretty much agree with the horrible reviews for the 50 Shades books, although I don't think I've read more than a clip or two). If I really care about the topic being condemned, I have an equal right to offer an opposing opinion. Whether I'd be willing to put up with the dog-pile that would probably arise in such a case, I don't know. I don't have a Twitter account, but I have been involved in some pretty ugly conversations on blog posts in my day. Sometimes it's easier to shake my head, back away from the computer, and give everyone a few days to calm down. |
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I don't think that condemning a book without reading should be illegal or forbidden, and probably the OP doesn't think so either. To my mind, it should not be ok in the same sense as insulting someone just because you don't like his face is not ok. Of course people do both of those things anyway, and hardly anyone in this discussion is likely to think that they should be punished by law for it. But we can discuss whether it's ok in our personal opinion or not.
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