12-04-2019, 09:03 AM | #16 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 11,732
Karma: 128354696
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 26 kly from Sgr A*
Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000
|
Quote:
In tradpub, the publisher is in control. They choose what to publish, when, and how; they choose the editor and decide what amount of editing if any they'll demand; they choose the artist or stock art. The publisher is the boss. In the Indie workflow, control stays with the author. They hire the editor and decide what changes to accept, they hire the artist or buy the stock image. They decide if they're hiring a formatter or not. They're the boss: the book sinks or swim on their judgment. It is increasingly popular, especially with newcomers without a reputation, .who instead of spending years to get an agent and more time waiting for the agent to place the book and yet more time before the publisher assigns the book a release date, typically two years away. For many newcomers it can add to five years. Sometimes more, occasionally less. Versus clicking "upload". And if they really are good writers--a big if in any case--those are five years of building up a catalog and a brand instead of just waiting.i In either case, it all comes down to how good readers think the writer is. Workflow has little to do with that. |
|
12-04-2019, 10:29 AM | #17 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 7,195
Karma: 70314280
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2
|
Quote:
My guess is that you see it mostly with older writers (Card is 68) who are slowing down a lot and whose name still has a lot of pull in the market. |
|
12-04-2019, 10:45 AM | #18 | |
Karma Kameleon
Posts: 2,934
Karma: 26616647
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
|
Quote:
I know about Card....plus he had a stroke a couple years ago. I hope he finds a better "more like OSC" writer to keep some of his series alive. I generally don't mind "large Author's Name on book, but written by someone else who's name is small at the bottom". To me I think "well, if the author is letting his name be large and in charge, then he's taking responsibility for the quality of the book, even if he doesn't write it". I've been immune for the most part...of feeling majorly let down. I read every new Clancy book, every new Bourne book. I can't possibly ready every James Patterson labeled book, but the series of his that I follow, I'm pleased with. I've like the Honor Harrington spin off's and collaborations - but at least those haven't been marketed "big author name"-style. But this time I was truly fooled. First....by falling for "Author's Name as Brand" at the top of the book cover without noticing the small "written by...." at the bottom. I just hadn't come to expect that from OSC. Then the story simply wasn't up to OSC writing ability. All the while I was reading, I thought "has the stroke ruined OSC's writing ability"? |
|
12-04-2019, 11:12 AM | #19 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 11,732
Karma: 128354696
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 26 kly from Sgr A*
Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000
|
Quote:
Maybe it was a contracted work in progress that needed finishing. Has he released anything newer? As for the Weber spinoffs and collaborations most read pretty much as the credits suggest. Which is to be expected considering the co-writers are well established authors in their own right with recognizable narrative voices. No disguising expected or likely. Plus Weber has been known to hold up a volume because of the cowriter's health issues. The evidence, until now, is that his collaborations are collaborations of equals. He even altered his long term Honorverse timeline because of the CROWN OF SLAVES books. The only exception is the latest, THE GORDIAN PROTOCOL, which reads like Weber editing/rewriting Holo, not like his other collaborations. It feels...off. It even lacks his signature infodumps. Last edited by fjtorres; 12-04-2019 at 11:16 AM. |
|
12-04-2019, 03:58 PM | #20 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 7,195
Karma: 70314280
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2
|
Quote:
|
|
12-05-2019, 09:35 AM | #21 |
Karma Kameleon
Posts: 2,934
Karma: 26616647
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
|
I haven't read the Gordian Protocol yet (didn't know it existed). I've got a bone to pick with Weber over his last book "Out of Darkness". It was a typical Weber book (not his best, perhaps, but in the pocket)....and then he ended it Deus Ex Machina style. I couldn't believe it. I felt betrayed.
But I have enjoyed all the Honor Harrington Spinoff Series. Eric Flint is another author that does great collaborations....particularly in the 1632 Series. But still....he doesn't market them with his own name the way we are speaking about with these "Author as Contractor" books. |
12-05-2019, 09:38 AM | #22 | |
Karma Kameleon
Posts: 2,934
Karma: 26616647
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
|
Quote:
At least Jacob Holo's name is the same size....even though located at the bottom of the cover. Seeing a book cover like this....I generally would think "Ok, Weber is telling me that if I like his books, I should like this one"....I wouldn't expect it to be a "Weber book"....but a "Weber quality controlled" book. |
|
12-05-2019, 10:22 AM | #23 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 7,195
Karma: 70314280
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2
|
Quote:
The good news is that he seems to have mostly come to have tied up most of the threads in his last Honor Harrington book. There are still some things unresolved, so the opening is there, but I would say that the main story has mostly concluded. |
|
12-05-2019, 11:06 AM | #24 | |
Karma Kameleon
Posts: 2,934
Karma: 26616647
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
|
Quote:
But...I did read the latest Honor Harrington, I do believe it's meant to be the end of the series. At least of the main Honor Harrington character. |
|
12-05-2019, 04:43 PM | #25 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 11,732
Karma: 128354696
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 26 kly from Sgr A*
Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000
|
Quote:
Definitely not his best. I'm not terribly fond of his Safehold series, either. The setup screamed "generational saga" not an endless step by step slog. Gave up after the fourth... Flint's 163x /Grantville saga has evolved into a shared world series, ala Wild Cards or Thieves World. Flint has been honest that 1632 was meant as a one-and-done until Weber pointed out the sequel potential. Anthologies followed and then the Gazzette e-magazine. The thing has gotten so big he's indie publishing several volumes because BAEN can't keep up with the output. Even "just" editing he can't keep up himself. Good reads, though. Somebody ought to license the series for video. |
|
12-05-2019, 04:50 PM | #26 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 11,732
Karma: 128354696
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 26 kly from Sgr A*
Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000
|
Quote:
There's at least one volume hanging featuring Mike Henke and probably an entire arc about the Mesan conspiracy featuring Honor's adult kids. And he clearly has plans for Abigail Hearns and the Hexapuma kids. He actually meant to kill Honor several volumes back but CROWN OF SLAVES made him change the timeline. Either way, it's past time he focused on the other characters and settings. |
|
12-17-2019, 09:12 PM | #27 |
Wizard
Posts: 2,502
Karma: 28893796
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Perth Western Australia
Device: kindle
|
I rarely read "continuation" or "workshop" books. Years ago I used to read "The Saint" books by Leslie Charteris. He more or less stopped writing when the TV series with Roger Moore appeared, but collaborated with another author on two or three volumes based on TV scripts. Those were okay, because Charteris took the trouble to rewrite in his own voice in the parts where it was most needed, and these worked. Later? No.
I read all the Dick Francis novels, plus his last two in collaboration with Felix; but only one, I think, of Felix solo. Again, all of Arthur C Clarke, but few if any by him in collaboration; Clarke had a very distinctive voice. All Asimov, too, but none of the "Asimov Universe" book by other authors. They lack Asimov's somewhat awkward but distinctive voice. All of Pratchett; and I can't imagine anyone getting his voice off authentically, and I hope no-one tries. (Although it seems to me his last book, written when he was in steep decline, doesn't have a strong Pratchett feel.) |
12-18-2019, 07:44 AM | #28 | |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 11,732
Karma: 128354696
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 26 kly from Sgr A*
Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000
|
Quote:
The Saint. Definitely a product of another era. (i read a volume of tbe really old ones from the "robin hood of crime" as I recall he was billed. Very 30's.) Oddly enough, last night I found out the full series is free on IMDB TV, available through the PRIME video app. Also most of the AVENGERS, from season 2 (oddly enough), UFO(!!!), THE PRISONER and SECRET AGENT, and a whole lot of the top 60's shows. Also Space 1999 but I have little tolerance for that one. (Great spaceship design, though. We'll be building those soon enough.) Plus Warehouse 13. The service is worth it just for that one. |
|
12-18-2019, 02:23 PM | #29 |
Gentleman and scholar
Posts: 10,990
Karma: 108312789
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Space City, Texas
Device: Clara HD; Nook ST w/Glowlight, (2015) Glowlight Plus, Paperwhite 3
|
I agree that Prime Video alone makes Prime worth it to me. But IMDb TV is a separate charge. Those free shows aren't free to you unless you subscribe to both Prime and IMDb TV.
|
12-18-2019, 02:31 PM | #30 | |
Gentleman and scholar
Posts: 10,990
Karma: 108312789
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Space City, Texas
Device: Clara HD; Nook ST w/Glowlight, (2015) Glowlight Plus, Paperwhite 3
|
Quote:
I'd also recommend the three Caliban books written by Roger McBride Allen. The books are worthy sci-fi. He manages to capture the Asimov vibe, but he is a better writer. Unfortunately not available as ebooks. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
General | bobmiles | Introduce Yourself | 3 | 12-12-2011 09:38 PM |
Looking for Word/PDF to ePUB Format Contractor | ygrinch | ePub | 9 | 05-14-2010 11:04 AM |
General hi! to everyone | frielir | Introduce Yourself | 3 | 06-13-2009 02:10 AM |