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It's really, really hard to (1) track exactly who that person is to file a civil suit, (2) prove that the digital copy he has is an illegal copy, not something made by/for fair use, and (3) convince a judge that making a single copy of, oh, Under the Dome is worth thousands of dollars in damages, much less hundreds of thousands. If they managed to prove a single-book case, any halfway sensible judge & jury would look at it like petty theft, plus a bit of penalty fines. They don't have the resources to file those suits; nobody does. It's not that downloaders are never breaking copyright law, but they're breaking a smaller part of it, at such a tiny scale that it's not worth going after. And a downloader might have a claim for fair use--"multiple copies for classroom use" is an example of fair use, and the law doesn't say teachers have to provide those copies. |
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Merely receiving copyrighted material is not illegal, even if it was unauthorized. If it were, then everybody on the internet would be guilty. |
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Yesterday I bought an e-book published by Penguin. The copyright page includes this notice:
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Two other books purchased yesterday (Farrar Straus and Giroux--which is part of Macmillan--and Random House) have only the standard copyright notice, nothing specific to an e-book; same for a recent Simon & Schuster book I bought. A HarperCollins book recently purchased has a much stricter notice: Quote:
But I think it's interesting that there's no uniformity among the publishers as to what you can do with the e-book you buy, with HC apparently ready to take your firstborn for just about anything that might possibly be construed as a violation of what it's staked out as its turf, Penguin politely reminding you to be on good behavior, and the others simply silent. |
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Yeah, well, HarperCollins is owned by Murdoch & co, so why are we surprised by this claim. They haven't been my favourite publisher since they decided an ebook should self-destruct after 26 readings.
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Even in the US, multiple copies for classroom use is legal. Scanning a hardcover for personal use is, as far as any of us know, legal. The copyright notice inside a book has no connection to what the law actually requires. (And I wish it were legally actionable, wish they were able to be indicted for fraud for claiming more rights than they actually have.) |
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It doesn't change anything that's been said here about books, but I do wonder how it will affect consumer expectations around digital media files in general. Quote:
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in the cloud means somewhere out there not at MY place under my influence only so you 'll rather see sun going down in the north, or pigs fly, than me upping private files on some companies machines for storage. *shivers*
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Exactly... personal computing meant an escape from the High Priests of the Mainframe... now they want the power and control back by pitching the cloud as the wave of the future... if it isn't at my residence on my hard disks then it's not in my control...
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Hey you! Get offa my cloud!
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This is exactly why I worry not about what is legal, but what is moral.
Did I support the author by purchasing their book? Then I don't feel any real compunction about skipping a couple of steps in the digitizing process. Especially given the DRM'ing and price fixing of the current ebook market. I especially don't have any moral qualms about skipping one step or so - like downloading some badly OCR'd PDF. Ohh, I saved myself the first step of the scan. Then I can proof it against the physical edition of the book myself. I think what's important is that you did your part to support the author (And thus also the publisher, etc). |
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