Direct Links to Kobo Dictionaries - Page 2

AlPe · 02-23-2013, 09:23 AM

The dictionary you linked has an unsupported format.

However googling "Turkish to English Stardict dictionary" returns several results.

Arrow245 · 03-10-2013, 07:27 AM

Thank you Alberto, i can't tell how much you helped me! Thanks to penelope, i've finally managed to create an English-Turkish dictionary for the device. Doing what is told on http://www.albertopettarin.it/penelope.html, it worked great and i converted the stardict dictionary to dicthtml.
I should also say anyone who wants to use penelope, should do it in Linux rather than Windows.

AlPe · 03-10-2013, 08:51 AM

You are welcome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrow245

I should also say anyone who wants to use penelope, should do it in Linux rather than Windows.

Why do you say that? Aside from the hassle of the installation of Python etc., there should be no difference. Did you experience problems under Windows?

Arrow245 · 03-10-2013, 09:31 AM

Yes, i did. After installing Python in Windows, i tried over and over but it returned with errors which i don't remember right now. I did everything what was explained; downloaded the penelope files, installed python, entered marisa path into penelope.py but it failed. I'm not a power user, may be i missed something but with the same files under Xubuntu it worked smoothly.

AlPe · 03-10-2013, 09:43 AM

I see, probably your problems were related to Python/MARISA/etc. setup and/or the console encoding.

I definitely agree that using a Linux box goes around these issues easily, to the extend that I wrote in the official page:

Quote:

TECHNICAL NOTES The current version runs both under Python 2 or Python 3, and it has been tested under Linux (Debian, Fedora) and Windows (XP, 7). Unfortunately, since I do not have any financial support for the project, I cannot offer support for all the possibile values of the tuple (OS, Python version, console encoding). Therefore, only problems running Penelope in a Linux environment will receive full priority.

microspace · 05-13-2013, 02:37 PM

Hello.
What is the maximum size of dictionary supported?
Can I lookup in multiple dictionaries in kobo?
thank you.

AlPe · 05-13-2013, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by microspace

Hello.
What is the maximum size of dictionary supported?

What do you mean by "size"?

Number of bytes of the ZIP container? I have a working dictionary of ~120 MB.
Number of words in the index? I have a working dictionary with >200K.

There are no official specifications, so it is hard to give a definitive answer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by microspace

Can I lookup in multiple dictionaries in kobo?
thank you.

I don't have my Kobo with me, but if I am not wrong, a query string is searched in all the dictionaries selective as "active" by the user (in the corresponding device settings).

ShellShock · 05-14-2013, 02:28 AM

Because Kobo dictionaries have a proper index, the size of the dictionary should not affect lookup times (too much). So please try it and see, and let us know how big a dictionary you can get working.

ewphoenix123 · 05-14-2013, 03:35 AM

My custom dictionary is 16.5mb.

tshering · 05-14-2013, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellShock

Because Kobo dictionaries have a proper index, the size of the dictionary should not affect lookup times (too much). So please try it and see, and let us know how big a dictionary you can get working.

You are right. When I started making Japanese dictionaries (link), I was really surprised about the short processing time of the look up function. The first dictionary I made has 18+ Mb and consists of 64.103 html files. Gzipping and zipping on the pc took a lot of time. But you cannot feel any slowdown during look-up.

microspace · 05-14-2013, 04:16 AM

Thank you for reply.
I have a few more questions:
1) What is the level of HTML tags support in htmldict articles? Can I put there
a) tables
b) images
с) CSS-formatting

2) Is there fuzzy string match of levenstein distanse string match?

3) Can I use collations while searching?

3) Is there a chance to have stemmer?
thank you

AlPe · 05-14-2013, 04:28 AM

1) a) Not sure. b) No. c) No.
2) No.
3) Not sure.
4) No, but you can add stemmed words to your index, and "duplicate" the definitions. Clearly, there might be collisions (multiple distinct words being stemmed to the same radix).

AlPe · 05-14-2013, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellShock

Because Kobo dictionaries have a proper index, the size of the dictionary should not affect lookup times (too much).

True, but I feel like the words file (the index) is loaded into the Kobo RAM, so there might be some size limit w.r.t. its size (hence, its number of entries).

On the other hand, since the definition files are "on disk", I guess they can be arbitrarily large, yet upper bounded by the Kobo internal SD size.

microspace · 05-14-2013, 05:46 AM

sorry for being annoying, but what actually happens when I search for a word which has no exact match in dictionary? For example I look for Lorens, but there is only Lorenz in dictionary. Will it tell me that there is no matching word, or it will show the closest match?

AlPe · 05-14-2013, 05:55 AM

It will tell that no exact match has been found, and it will show you the closest match.

I do not know the "exact" definition of the distance considered --- my guess is that it is the distance in the trie traversal. (E.g., the previous or the next word with common prefix w.r.t. the query string)

03-10-2013, 07:27 AM	#17
Arrow245 Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2013 Device: Kobo Touch	Thank you Alberto, i can't tell how much you helped me! Thanks to penelope, i've finally managed to create an English-Turkish dictionary for the device. Doing what is told on http://www.albertopettarin.it/penelope.html, it worked great and i converted the stardict dictionary to dicthtml. I should also say anyone who wants to use penelope, should do it in Linux rather than Windows. Last edited by Arrow245; 03-10-2013 at 07:55 AM.

05-13-2013, 02:37 PM	#21
microspace Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2013 Device: none	max size of dictionary Hello. What is the maximum size of dictionary supported? Can I lookup in multiple dictionaries in kobo? thank you.

05-14-2013, 04:16 AM	#26
microspace Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2013 Device: none	kobo html support, searching Thank you for reply. I have a few more questions: 1) What is the level of HTML tags support in htmldict articles? Can I put there a) tables b) images с) CSS-formatting 2) Is there fuzzy string match of levenstein distanse string match? 3) Can I use collations while searching? 3) Is there a chance to have stemmer? thank you

05-14-2013, 05:46 AM	#29
microspace Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2013 Device: none	string matching sorry for being annoying, but what actually happens when I search for a word which has no exact match in dictionary? For example I look for Lorens, but there is only Lorenz in dictionary. Will it tell me that there is no matching word, or it will show the closest match?

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02-23-2013, 09:23 AM	#16
AlPe Digital Amanuensis Posts: 727 Karma: 1446357 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Turin, Italy Device: Several eReaders and tablets	The dictionary you linked has an unsupported format. However googling "Turkish to English Stardict dictionary" returns several results.

03-10-2013, 09:31 AM	#19
Arrow245 Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2013 Device: Kobo Touch	Yes, i did. After installing Python in Windows, i tried over and over but it returned with errors which i don't remember right now. I did everything what was explained; downloaded the penelope files, installed python, entered marisa path into penelope.py but it failed. I'm not a power user, may be i missed something but with the same files under Xubuntu it worked smoothly.

05-14-2013, 02:28 AM	#23
ShellShock Wizard Posts: 1,176 Karma: 2431850 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: IPad Mini 2 Retina	Because Kobo dictionaries have a proper index, the size of the dictionary should not affect lookup times (too much). So please try it and see, and let us know how big a dictionary you can get working.

05-14-2013, 03:35 AM	#24
ewphoenix123 Addict Posts: 200 Karma: 42238 Join Date: Oct 2012 Device: Kobo: Glo, Aura , Aura H2O, Aura ONE, Forma, Elipsa	My custom dictionary is 16.5mb.

05-14-2013, 04:28 AM	#27
AlPe Digital Amanuensis Posts: 727 Karma: 1446357 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Turin, Italy Device: Several eReaders and tablets	1) a) Not sure. b) No. c) No. 2) No. 3) Not sure. 4) No, but you can add stemmed words to your index, and "duplicate" the definitions. Clearly, there might be collisions (multiple distinct words being stemmed to the same radix).

05-14-2013, 05:55 AM	#30
AlPe Digital Amanuensis Posts: 727 Karma: 1446357 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Turin, Italy Device: Several eReaders and tablets	It will tell that no exact match has been found, and it will show you the closest match. I do not know the "exact" definition of the distance considered --- my guess is that it is the distance in the trie traversal. (E.g., the previous or the next word with common prefix w.r.t. the query string)

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