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But I will admit, if someone told me they read Stephen King's latest book and then later I found out they listened to the audio book, a little voice inside me would be saying 'You haven't really read it!' That little voice is an uncharitable jerk. Here's a question: If you watch the How The Grinch Stole Christmas special and over the course of it Boris Karloff has narrated the entire book (I don't remember if he does, but let's just say he does), could you say you've read the book? |
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That is true to a great extent, but also I think because reading and listening uses different parts of the brain. Story telling is a art form that probably predates writing.
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I've both listened to and read and played many classical guitar pieces. I won't pretend that listening and reading them are the same thing but they both have their value. I think this is an exaggeration of the difference in listening and reading a book. A book is words and reading and listening gives us the same words. We take them in in different ways and no-one really knows if that matters or how much. Music is sound and I doubt anyone will claim that difference doesn't matter. What about the blind, who have no choice but to listen? Haven't they read the book? They do call it reading in most cases. Barry Barry |
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Agreed, but the point we were discussing was not whether they had value (which clearly both do), but whether they were synonymous. Ie if you listened to a piece of music, would you then say that you'd read that piece of music? To me, the acts of reading and listening are completely different.
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I invented an example for him that i think illustrates the lie. A used car dealer takes in a junker that really looks very nice. He calls his grandmother to come drive it to the grocery store and back. Later that day he sells it by explaining that it was driven by a little old lady to the grocery store. Has he told a lie? Marketer's main job is lying. Most do so by telling the truth. I think this particular slogan of Audible's may be more true than most but it's also a lie. Who cares! It's a marketing slogan. It's not about truth! It's better if it's Westinghouse. Snap Crackle and Pop. Because you're worth it. A diamond is forever. it keeps going, and going, and going ... Finger-lickin' good. America's storyteller. Bet you can't eat just one. Barry Barry |
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I read about a year ago a reference to the the idea that silent reading is a relatively new thing. The earliest mention of silent reading in Western literature is by St. Augustine expressing his surprise when he found St. Ambrose reading and not moving his lips or saying the words. There's speculation that reading was done aloud before that. I think there's plenty of room to call listening to a book reading. It's not common usage among most of us but it's not that uncommon either. I usually say I listened to a book and sometimes I'll even say I read it and then correct that. That's mostly because I know some people care about that distinction and I like to be honest. I personally don't think it's a very important distinction. Barry |
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Speaking of silent reading, it turns out it is not so silent:
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/49/17554.full We differ as to how different decoding speech is from decoding text, or Braille. They engage different senses for intake, but the ensuing brain activity engage more or less the same brain activity (visual/motor/auditory). It is a virtual reality summoned by means of language. I can imagine some future technology which directly stimulates language centers, bypassing senses altogether. That would be reading, as well. Practically speaking, there are of course differences in how one engages with the media. Last edited by tomsem; 10-27-2017 at 04:04 PM. |
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I don't really care if making use of an audiobook is called listening or reading. It's just a word.
I just wish I could enjoy audiobooks more. I find it very hard to keep my concentration up when listening to one in a car (the only place I've ever tried one). Maybe I just have stumbled across poor narrators. But many of then just seem to drone on and on. Others place emphasis on words, or do voice tricks (try to speak in a high pitch, etc.) that I find extremely annoying. Several of the books I've tried have British narrators. I have nothing against the British, but the accent is distracting to me. With audiobooks, my mind wanders, and I find I've missed a lot of the story as time goes on. I could never finish an audio novel. Short stories are challenge enough. I wish this wasn't the case. But it is for me. So I prefer reading with my own eyes. |
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