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Old 02-14-2017, 03:23 PM   #1
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ADE reversing pages?
Hi, I've got quite a tricky issue (that's driving myself and a less than understanding customer) a bit crazy.

An epub (created from InDesign and cleaned up/edited in Calibre) is displaying correctly in every ereader/app EXCEPT for ADE (v 4.5.133054), where the pages are reversed in 2 page view. In one page/large font view, it proceeds correctly, but in 2 page view the "pages" reverse- so chapter 1 would start on the right, then continue on the left.

I've looked for page-break coding in the CSS and the actual ePub and nothing's coming up.

Everything looks right in iBooks, the mobi looks good in Kindle, etc...
It's just ADE that's causing this problem, and I can't get the guy to budge and accept that it's garbage software, for the most part.

I can't post the epub as it's not mine to do so, but I've attached a screenshot of the 2 page spread in ADE so you can get an idea of what to look for.

If this belongs in the ADE common bugs thread, I'll be happy to post it there but I wasn't sure.

I've attached an image to this thread- hopefully it works correctly?

Anyway, I appreciate any help someone can give me, as I think I'm going nuts here.

Thanks all!
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:04 PM   #2
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ADE is the most used program for viewing ePub. So garbage or not it has to work with ADE. That said, there is a noticeable error with your ePub. you have an extra > before the header for Scene 8. So that to me means there is something wrong with the code. ADE can be a stickler for correct code. So that could be why you have a display error.

There is no way anyone will be able to see what's wrong unless you post the CSS and the XML file for Scene 8.
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Check to see if you have some kind of a direction right-to-left command either in the header at the top of the page, or in the .opf...or possibly as a setting in the ADE?? It should be set to left-to-right (ltr).

That seems like it would cause what you were seeing...
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ADE is the most used program for viewing ePub. So garbage or not it has to work with ADE. That said, there is a noticeable error with your ePub. you have an extra > before the header for Scene 8. So that to me means there is something wrong with the code. ADE can be a stickler for correct code. So that could be why you have a display error.

There is no way anyone will be able to see what's wrong unless you post the CSS and the XML file for Scene 8.
Oh- didn't even see that, it was a stray bit of code left over from a change that's gone now- but this is affecting the entire book, not just this chapter. I'll try to do some more digging, a directional command may do it.
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Without posting the code, it's all just guessing.
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I was able to attach the content.opf file, but I can't seem to upload the css or xhtml file, so I'm posting them as text here (snippets)

Chapter 8 (since that was the example I gave before)

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head>
<title>The Other La Bohème</title>

<link href="../stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<link href="../page_styles.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
</head>
<body id="AAN1104_Digest-11" lang="en-US" class="calibre">
<div class="_idgenobjectstyleoverride1">
<p class="bookbaby-formatting_centered"><span class="charoverride4">Scene 8</span></p>
<p class="bookbaby-formatting_between-titles"><img class="_idgenobjectattribute3" src="image/16.png" alt=""/></p>
<p class="bookbaby-formatting_drop-caps"><span class="_idgendropcap">O</span>n a Friday John a quiet<span class="widow"> corner.</span></p>

and the stylesheet.css (this one's pretty long)

Code:
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Driving me nuts, this is!
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:17 AM   #7
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@ChipSuey - you could use the Calibre ScrambleEbook plugin to obfuscate the content of the epub and post that version here.

The calibre editor's Live CSS display may also give you a clue as to the offending CSS

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Old 02-15-2017, 09:45 AM   #8
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@ChipSuey - you could use the Calibre ScrambleEbook plugin to obfuscate the content of the epub and post that version here.

The calibre editor's Live CSS display may also give you a clue as to the offending CSS

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Thanks so much for that! Here's the actual (scrambled) epub file.

Appreciate the help here.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:09 AM   #9
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In the .opf file there many different language data entries. One of them is Arabic, which is a RTL language.

Code:
    <dc:contributor opf:role="bkp">calibre (2.78.0) [https://calibre-ebook.com]</dc:contributor>
    <dc:language>ar</dc:language>
    <dc:language>de</dc:language>
    <dc:language>en</dc:language>
    <dc:language>fr</dc:language>
    <dc:language>it</dc:language>
Many reading system will only use the first dc language metadata entry = Arabic.
You might want to get rid of all non-English dc language entries.

Code:
    <dc:contributor opf:role="bkp">calibre (2.78.0) [https://calibre-ebook.com]</dc:contributor>
    <dc:language>en</dc:language>
Also note that the Guide section in the .opf file contains the Arabic word for TOC:

Code:
<reference type="toc" title="المحتويات" href="Text/toc.xhtml#calibre_generated_inline_toc"/>
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In the .opf file there many different language data entries. One of them is Arabic, which is a RTL language.

Code:
    <dc:contributor opf:role="bkp">calibre (2.78.0) [https://calibre-ebook.com]</dc:contributor>
    <dc:language>ar</dc:language>
    <dc:language>de</dc:language>
    <dc:language>en</dc:language>
    <dc:language>fr</dc:language>
    <dc:language>it</dc:language>
Many reading system will only use the first dc language metadata entry = Arabic.
You might want to get rid of all non-English dc language entries.

Code:
    <dc:contributor opf:role="bkp">calibre (2.78.0) [https://calibre-ebook.com]</dc:contributor>
    <dc:language>en</dc:language>
Also note that the Guide section in the .opf file contains the Arabic word for TOC:

Code:
<reference type="toc" title="المحتويات" href="Text/toc.xhtml#calibre_generated_inline_toc"/>

Everything you mentioned was bang on, and removing those lines looks to have fixed things. Thank you so, so much.
Now we've got to put our heads together with our designers and figure out why this happens (and where).

Thanks again for the help!
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In the .opf file there many different language data entries. One of them is Arabic, which is a RTL language.

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    <dc:contributor opf:role="bkp">calibre (2.78.0) [https://calibre-ebook.com]</dc:contributor>
    <dc:language>ar</dc:language>
    <dc:language>de</dc:language>
    <dc:language>en</dc:language>
    <dc:language>fr</dc:language>
    <dc:language>it</dc:language>
Many reading system will only use the first dc language metadata entry = Arabic.
You might want to get rid of all non-English dc language entries.

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    <dc:contributor opf:role="bkp">calibre (2.78.0) [https://calibre-ebook.com]</dc:contributor>
    <dc:language>en</dc:language>
Also note that the Guide section in the .opf file contains the Arabic word for TOC:

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<reference type="toc" title="المحتويات" href="Text/toc.xhtml#calibre_generated_inline_toc"/>
I think you may well be right, I am redoing an ebook for a friend and I added the same meta data as the original and ade started doing the reverse pages spread and yes arabic is the first language listed. Dropping that entry further down the language list has resolved the issue.
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Old 03-25-2017, 03:27 PM   #12
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I understand that some books may contain multi-language content, but can someone explain what is gained (or hoped to be gained) by putting a dc:language entry in the OPF for each language that appears in the book, rather than just the single primary language entry?

If dictionary look-ups are what the eventual goal is, I was under the impression that was better achieved by adding spans around different language sections in the (x)html with the proper "lang" attribute defined.
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I've have the paperback edition of this book (as yet unread). Skimming though it there are lots of libretti fragments in Italian, some in French and German perhaps, but I can't see any Arabic, not even Hebrew from Nabucco. Maybe the e-book edition quotes Aida in Arabic for the sake of 'authenticity', despite the fact that Ancient Egyptians never spoke Arabic - they used various Coptic dialects and latterly Greek!

The only rationale I can see for putting all the languages used in a book into the OPF is for cataloguing purposes. But, if its only fragments of conversation, or in this case opera libretti, that wouldn't make much sense (IMO)?

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But, if its only fragments of conversation, or in this case opera libretti, that wouldn't make much sense (IMO)?
That's where I'm coming from.

Perhaps you're onto something with the "cataloging" thing (though risking breakage for such a thing hardly seems a sound trade-off to me).
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I've have the paperback edition of this book (as yet unread). Skimming though it there are lots of libretti fragments in Italian, some in French and German perhaps, but I can't see any Arabic, not even Hebrew from Nabucco. Maybe the e-book edition quotes Aida in Arabic for the sake of 'authenticity', despite the fact that Ancient Egyptians never spoke Arabic - they used various Coptic dialects and latterly Greek!
My inner pedant forces me to point out that "Aida" is actually set during the Egyptian Old Kingdom (approx 2700 - 2200BC), when the language was what Egyptologists refer to as "Old Egyptian" (which was succeeded in turn by "Middle Egyptian" and "Late Egyptian"). Coptic - the final form of the Egyptian spoken and written language - didn't come into being until the 1st century AD.

But the fundamental point - that Arabic is not involved in any way, shape or form - is of course absolutely true .
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