Harry Potter on Kindle - Page 4

lilac_jive · 01-25-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Yes, I respect the law but I do not respect her wishes since I think they are bad for eBooks and bad for everybody. And calling people low-lifes because they do not respect a certain position is strange and insulting.

if you read Harry's post, you'd see he agrees with you that her position on ebooks is crap.

And they are lowlifes because they are stealing. Stealing is not OK. Even if you are stealing from someone you don't like.

Andybaby · 01-25-2009, 03:01 PM

the Uploader of that book is a Low Life.
software Piracy is okay in my opinion, Selling a Pirated item is not only Illegal. its Morally wrong.

tompe · 01-25-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lilac_jive

if you read Harry's post, you'd see he agrees with you that her position on ebooks is crap.

And they are lowlifes because they are stealing. Stealing is not OK. Even if you are stealing from someone you don't like.

Well, I asked it similar things hold for all law breakers but the answer was that breaking this law was for some reason worse and the argument for that I read to be that it was because her wish was not respected. But I might have misunderstood the point.

lilac_jive · 01-25-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Well, I asked it similar things hold for all law breakers but the answer was that breaking this law was for some reason worse and the argument for that I read to be that it was because her wish was not respected. But I might have misunderstood the point.

I think in this case it is particularly bad because amazon is probably going to get in trouble for this, plus people got duped (it would be one thing if it was on ebay, but amazon?)

tompe · 01-25-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lilac_jive

I think in this case it is particularly bad because amazon is probably going to get in trouble for this, plus people got duped (it would be one thing if it was on ebay, but amazon?)

I actually think it might be very good since it will cause publicity and this will probably work in favor of ebooks. It will be especially good if a lot of people bought the book since it will show that there is a demand.

TwiSteDCBloSsoM · 01-26-2009, 11:04 AM

I hope it shows her that people would REALLY appreciate her series in ebook format. Maybe it might make her consider it so she can at least get the money for it rather than some person taking illegal courses to sell them.

It kinda reminded me of the first day I got my reader and I was browsing in the Sony Store. The only books from my collection that I couldn't get from there were the Harry Potter books. It was kind of disappointing considering how popular the books are.

Hopefully in the next year or two publishers will realize that ebooks are here to stay.
Though another idea that would be nice would be for publishers to offer the ebook with the actual paper copy like how you get the ipod version of a movie with the dvd of some movies. So if you bought the Harry Potter books then you'd get a ebook copy just for you. *continues to dream about it*
That would be great.. sadly I don't see it happening.

aapezzuto · 01-26-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TwiSteDCBloSsoM

Though another idea that would be nice would be for publishers to offer the ebook with the actual paper copy like how you get the ipod version of a movie with the dvd of some movies. So if you bought the Harry Potter books then you'd get a ebook copy just for you. *continues to dream about it*
That would be great.. sadly I don't see it happening.

There was a post a while back from someone in the publishing industry who talked about using hardback books as the pre-release premium license version of books. Packaging them with rights for the ebook, audio book, and perhaps other extras. If the publishing industry started treating books the way that the digital entertainment industry treats movies, games, etc. Then I think they could spike their sales, and re-invigorate the idea of a nice book being the perfect gift.

ScottBooks · 01-26-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Yes, I respect the law but I do not respect her wishes since I think they are bad for eBooks and bad for everybody. And calling people low-lifes because they do not respect a certain position is strange and insulting.

The low-life referred to in this specific instance was the criminal(s) who put the books up for sale. They took an author's work and put it up for sale for only their own gain. They knew it was stealing and knew it was illegal and did it anyway. Low-life is an appropriate description. So is scum.

tompe · 01-26-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottBooks

The low-life referred to in this specific instance was the criminal(s) who put the books up for sale. They took an author's work and put it up for sale for only their own gain. They knew it was stealing and knew it was illegal and did it anyway. Low-life is an appropriate description. So is scum.

I think law-breaker is enough. If all law-breaker are scum and low-life you do not add anything to use the term other then fooling people who do not remember that and think you mean something else than law-breaker.

Halk · 01-26-2009, 05:18 PM

Copyright breach is not stealing. That doesn't mean it's ok though, and indeed whoever put it up is lowlife.

It's also fraud since what you get (since it's poorly done) is not what you paid for.

lilac_jive · 01-26-2009, 06:17 PM

I'm going to stick with scum here. They ripped off the customers, the writer, and amazon. Not cool.

tompe · 01-26-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lilac_jive

I'm going to stick with scum here. They ripped off the customers, the writer, and amazon. Not cool.

Really. How much did the writer loose here? I doubt the writer lost anything. The customers got what they paid for and since they bouht from Amazon they had no reason to not trust that it was OK to buy.

lilac_jive · 01-26-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Really. How much did the writer loose here? I doubt the writer lost anything. The customers got what they paid for and since they bouht from Amazon they had no reason to not trust that it was OK to buy.

It's not that she lost anything, it is that someone ripped her work off. Amazon is a pretty trustworthy site, especially when it is marked as a Kindle book from Amazon.

I just don't understand why you think this isn't scummy. Even illegal ebook sellers on ebay, where people should be on high guard, I think are scum.

tompe · 01-26-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lilac_jive

I just don't understand why you think this isn't scummy. Even illegal ebook sellers on ebay, where people should be on high guard, I think are scum.

I think the copyright laws are immoral. think that breaking the laws is not good if it is allowed. But that does not automatically lead to the conclusion that the law breakers are scum or low-lifes. Using such terms just makes it harder for people to see the situation clearly. And I think that using such terms reflects an ideological standpoint that I do not agree with.

And if they are scum and low-lifes. What terms should you use for murderers?

lilac_jive · 01-26-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I think the copyright laws are immoral. think that breaking the laws is not good if it is allowed. But that does not automatically lead to the conclusion that the law breakers are scum or low-lifes. Using such terms just makes it harder for people to see the situation clearly. And I think that using such terms reflects an ideological standpoint that I do not agree with.

And if they are scum and low-lifes. What terms should you use for murderers?

I understand where you are coming from, but I will respectfully disagree. My point still lies in knowingly ripping people off.

Anyway, what I call murders, rapists, etc, is not appropriate language for the forum.

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01-25-2009, 03:01 PM	#47
Andybaby Wizard Posts: 1,279 Karma: 1002683 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Device: PRS-700	the Uploader of that book is a Low Life. software Piracy is okay in my opinion, Selling a Pirated item is not only Illegal. its Morally wrong.

01-26-2009, 11:04 AM	#51
TwiSteDCBloSsoM Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 142 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: Sony Reader PRS-505	I hope it shows her that people would REALLY appreciate her series in ebook format. Maybe it might make her consider it so she can at least get the money for it rather than some person taking illegal courses to sell them. It kinda reminded me of the first day I got my reader and I was browsing in the Sony Store. The only books from my collection that I couldn't get from there were the Harry Potter books. It was kind of disappointing considering how popular the books are. Hopefully in the next year or two publishers will realize that ebooks are here to stay. Though another idea that would be nice would be for publishers to offer the ebook with the actual paper copy like how you get the ipod version of a movie with the dvd of some movies. So if you bought the Harry Potter books then you'd get a ebook copy just for you. continues to dream about it That would be great.. sadly I don't see it happening.

01-26-2009, 05:18 PM	#55
Halk Fanatic Posts: 534 Karma: 469999 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Sony PRS-650 (PRS+ alpha - thanks Kartu!)	Copyright breach is not stealing. That doesn't mean it's ok though, and indeed whoever put it up is lowlife. It's also fraud since what you get (since it's poorly done) is not what you paid for.

01-26-2009, 06:17 PM	#56
lilac_jive Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,870 Karma: 27376 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Device: PRS-505	I'm going to stick with scum here. They ripped off the customers, the writer, and amazon. Not cool.