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10% is a novella is very different than 10% of a novel. So just having % is not a good idea. What would be best is number of screens until the end of the chapter, ADE page numbers for the entire book, and %. Then everyone has something that works.
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To me, this is a biggie, and I find the current solution offered by Marvin totally unsatisfactory and (my apologies) amateurish. I'm a professional translator and let me tell you that basing page counts (even Marvin's fake page counts) on numbers of words is totally misguided. I read books in 8 different languages in Marvin, and of course a language like (for example) German has substantially longer words than (for example) English with its brief words. So, to base any calculation of "pages" (even fake, imaginary pages) on word counts is as faux as it can get. Does it mean now that German pages are longer than English pages? Of course not, which is why for fake pages, ADE's solution of 1024 characters per (fake) page is clearly superior over Marvin's current (fake) solution. Even if Kris allows us to change the number of words used for the calculation, this won't help a single bit because – as explained above – the entire concept is flawed, and I read books simultaneously in various languages every day. Really the only satisfactory solution, to me, is to give us real-life page/screen numbers, that is actual page flips on the particular reading device, just like Marvin gives us those for "pages in chapter". (I'm taking a lot of heat and abuse over on MobileRead for standing up for what I find to be the correct approach, but that's standard for online discussions. Abusing the messenger won't resolve the fundamental flaw in Marvin discussed here, though.) Quote:
As I mentioned, each of us is different, so each of us would likely prefer something else. Marvin will soon give us the option to customize our headers and footers, so all I'm asking of Kris is to put "pages [left] in book" among the available options, where "pages in book" would work consistently at long last throughout Marvin – that is, in the same way that "pages in chapter" already works in Marvin now. Quote:
I believe for percentage read, word count is the way to go. It definitely isn't for (fake) page counts, which is what Marvin does now. I also believe Marvin should give us the option to display decimal numbers (1 or 2 decimal numbers) for the "percentage read" metric. For extremely long books, it sometimes takes flipping many pages before you see the percentage drop by even 1. Therefore, for such books, simply seeing 72% isn't enough. Moon+ Reader Pro on Android displays one decimal number by default (72.6%). I would appreciate if Marvin gave us the option to display either no decimal number for "percentage read" (72% – the current only option in Marvin), or 1 decimal number (72.6% – Moon's only option), or 2 decimal numbers (72.68% – that would be my pick). Every Marvin user could choose whatever percentage display option suits them best. Quote:
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By all means: if Marvin also gives us alternative methods for "pages in book" counts (especially the one I'm calling "natural", "real-life" = each screen flip equals a page turn), then I'm perfectly fine with the fake page counts being available in Marvin as well ("Marvin fake", "ADE fake" – either or both would be fine with me as options, because I wouldn't use either). What is unbearable, though, is when the current fake page counts are the only option in Marvin. Quote:
Don't be ridiculous, please. Software creations are no humans – they are just products. Anyone who's active in the creative business (and I am active in the creative business myself) must not be thin-skinned. When you're putting out your product to the public, you must accept any criticisms of your product that you may encounter, if that product turns out to be unsatisfactory to some members of your audience. And because no one can make everyone happy all the time, there will always be some negative feedback, regardless of what you do. |
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As for calculating pages, I'm not sure if you've considered. Agree, though everyone isn't going to, that # of pages per device remains the same. Considering how one might change font size, line-height, margins, etc, how about calculating pagination of a web view given some particular dimensions? While they vary, picking some size such as mass-market, paperback, hardcover, or paper size is another possibility. Last edited by democrite; 07-02-2016 at 09:59 PM. |
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You really think genuine page numbers are screen flips? Sorry, but that's incorrect. The problem is that you change settings and your page numbers change. So that makes them not genuine and just a reference as to how many screen you have to go based on the book's current settings. I'm not saying this kind of page numbering is not something that Marvin cannot have. But, ADE pages do a better job based on the fact that they do not change based on the book's settings. I don't see why we could not have both sets of page numbering with it being the user's choice which to use.
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Him thinking anything directed towards him is abuse and everyone being "PC", calling every that he doesn't agree with, what Kris might not have thought of, or hasn't had a chance to get to yet or doesn't want, naming all such things "major flaws", it's not going to end -- now now, perhaps not next year, not with M4 or 5. It's quite tiresome and if Kris decided to abandon the forums and deal with only email, that too would be understandable.
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I'd be perfectly fine with it if the current page-count mode remained the default; it's crucial, though, for it not to be the only available option in Marvin. It would even be advantageous for Marvin 3 to stick with its current mode (or the ADE mode) as the default, because the "screen flip = page turn" option might be more resource-hungry to calculate precisely for the entire book; so, those calculations would only be performed for those users who would select that particular page-count option. Of course they are – on that particular device. Which is all that matters. In the world of printed books, you can buy a Bible edition with 500 pages, 750 pages, or 1000 pages. Does it mean that those are "fake pages"? Not at all. They are genuine page numbers – in various Bible editions. And so are screen flips genuine page numbers – on various reading devices. Again, for syncing purposes, there are alternative ways I distinctly prefer – such as the "percentage read" metric (with 4 digits, though: 76.52%), or Marvin's syncing button for iOS-only syncing. Quote:
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By all means: if some Marvin users such as yourself and Jon prefer such wild inconsistency, I have nothing against Kris giving you that option. But, please do not force that inconsistency on the rest of us. I'm pretty sure a non-geek Marvin user would appreciate if the "pages in chapter" and "pages in book" counts worked the same, consistently – you flip a page, and the page count goes down by 1 (not by 0, 2, 3 or 4 – of course!), regardless of the size of your reading device. You're so fond of personally attacking me (for a reason I can't fathom – I'd never had any interactions with you until very recently) that you're succumbing to your hallucinations once again. If you really bothered to read my submissions, you would find many of them where I label certain issues as "minor" or "cosmetic". Go over to Marvin's GitHub and examine some of the dozens of issues I submitted there over the years, instead of blathering nonsense here, OK? Quote:
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Only earlier today, I was reading Cato:
I am a big Green Hornet fan too. |
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Sorry, I'm in Europe and haven't heard of a "Green Hornet" before. Must be an American football or baseball thing, I suppose.
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Try googling "Green Hornet" and Cato.
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Green Hornet and Kato actually
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