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Old 11-11-2018, 12:15 AM   #106
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First patent (when at MIT) in 1996 on the basic technology (white particles in microcapsules with dark fluid). E-Ink incorporated in mid 1997. First commercial display was in 2007, with the improved Pearl in 2010, Carta in 2013 and Carta HD in 2014.

So ten years from incorporating to first commercial product for E-Ink.

In comparison, LiquaVista started in 2006, and appears to have now been shut down (after 12 years) without ever releasing a commercial product.

So from incorporation in 2012, ClearInk has a few years yet before they should be written off.
I would suggest that E-Ink were facing very different market forces that both forced them and allowed them to develop slower -- the former being the lack of a market, until they themselves created one, the latter being the lack of competing technologies. This does not mean that ClearInk cannot succeed, but does mean that 'threading the needle' will be difficult, and likely to become more so with each passing year.

Does a viable niche exist between E-Ink and LCD? Maybe. But each improvement on cost, clarity and power consumption on either side shrinks that potential niche just a little bit more.
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Does a viable niche exist between E-Ink and LCD? Maybe. But each improvement on cost, clarity and power consumption on either side shrinks that potential niche just a little bit more.
I don't think there's a viable niche between E-Ink and LCD. I would expect a better low-power reflective display technology to entirely replace E-Ink displays.


E-Ink didn't come into a completely fresh market area. There were already low-power reflective displays, but they just weren't very good. E-Ink pretty much killed reflective LCD displays except in the very lowest priced items.

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I don't think there's a viable niche between E-Ink and LCD. I would expect a better low-power reflective display technology to entirely replace E-Ink displays
We had an up to dire need for solving the problems patched by this technology, independently of its existence: they [E-Ink] found a market.

And to solve the problem of visualizing data, talking about niches seems to assume that «E-Ink and LCD» are amply satisfactory technologies. They are not.
  • LCD is absurd to use: it fights against environmental lighting. Conceptually, we had done better with paper. OLED is already much smarter, preserving the blacks as "off" - the effect is already much more fitting to expectations (and it is probably close to being the after-dusk technology) -, but still falls in the category of the "[we had no better than] torchlights".
  • E-Ink's EPD has plentiful limitations: not just the low refresh rate, but also that the amount of energy to change state is substantial.

I am not sure that these technologies still allow linear improvements.

Now, the current evidence of the long-term direction is towards * heightened mobility and the need to access information anytime (so anywhere), and * increased use of video as a format to spread information - while multi-source information remains (on the erudite's desk more books remained open, in the centuries) the paradigm (ALT+TAB, Hypertext). Existing widespread technologies fall short, for either reason.

Natural-light friendly, high refresh, color, efficient smart low power consumption, good visual quality: this is still missed, and this is the goal. Of course, who gets the better placement on this vectors and on the implicit ones (cheap etc.) eats up the rest in function of the intended use.

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Natural-light friendly, high refresh, color, efficient smart low power consumption, good visual quality: this is still missed, and this is the goal.
Absolutely. And I thought it would already be here.
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