What is wrong with UPS? - Page 4

Xerxes · 10-01-2009, 09:29 PM

Mines just arrived home. At 8PM. >_<
I'm so mad. I'm mid shift and can't go home. Meaning I can't start charging it until 12:30am. Meaning I'll have to wait until 1PM to give a go.

Thanks a lot UPS. Is it common to go out in the truck 7am until 8pm? Seems fishy.

kennyc · 10-01-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerxes

Mines just arrived home. At 8PM. >_<
I'm so mad. I'm mid shift and can't go home. Meaning I can't start charging it until 12:30am. Meaning I'll have to wait until 1PM to give a go.

Thanks a lot UPS. Is it common to go out in the truck 7am until 8pm? Seems fishy.

It's happened here as well.

I know they say to charge for 12 hours, but I really don't think that is necessary or makes a difference. I did not do that with mine.

theducks · 10-01-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerxes

Mines just arrived home. At 8PM. >_<
I'm so mad. I'm mid shift and can't go home. Meaning I can't start charging it until 12:30am. Meaning I'll have to wait until 1PM to give a go.

Thanks a lot UPS. Is it common to go out in the truck 7am until 8pm? Seems fishy.

Very common in Metro areas these days. I guess they found a high rate of no one at home for required signatures during the day.

3 attempts and the package goes back. A few years back, the "day" was 07:30 to 17:30 for most drivers
You CAN arrange for the package to be held at the UPS Center counter if home delivery is not possible. Bring ID

Xerxes · 10-01-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

It's happened here as well.

I know they say to charge for 12 hours, but I really don't think that is necessary or makes a difference. I did not do that with mine.

Funny thing is I got that from the forums. I don't see the 12 hours rule anywhere. FAQ said fully charged. O_o

kennyc · 10-01-2009, 10:15 PM

The 12 hours is in the (skimpy) manual.

Xerxes · 10-01-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

The 12 hours is in the (skimpy) manual.

This is me questioning it...

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=139

DaleDe · 10-02-2009, 01:06 AM

While you can certainly question the 12 hour number it will not do any harm to leave it on that long. (You could leave it plugged in all the time and it would not overcharge or damage the battery.) I do not believe that it is needed but what is needed is to make sure it is fully charged (which may take an hour or so past the indicator) and then discharge quite a bit to calibrate the gauge. This won't change the battery but will make the battery indicator more accurate.

Dale

Xerxes · 10-02-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

While you can certainly question the 12 hour number it will not do any harm to leave it on that long. (You could leave it plugged in all the time and it would not overcharge or damage the battery.) I do not believe that it is needed but what is needed is to make sure it is fully charged (which may take an hour or so past the indicator) and then discharge quite a bit to calibrate the gauge. This won't change the battery but will make the battery indicator more accurate.

Dale

Exactly, I mean it just seems like the normal 5-7 hours on the website for a full charge would be just as viable.

mores · 10-02-2009, 03:28 AM

I usually use the "shipped" amount of energy left in the devices to really empty it out, then charge it for at least 12h. That's how you calibrate a LiPoly battery, subsequent charges need not be like that. Every once in a while one should let the battery run down completely and do the calibration again - says so in my MacBook Pro manual.

theducks · 10-02-2009, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mores

I usually use the "shipped" amount of energy left in the devices to really empty it out, then charge it for at least 12h. That's how you calibrate a LiPoly battery, subsequent charges need not be like that. Every once in a while one should let the battery run down completely and do the calibration again - says so in my MacBook Pro manual.

The way these Legends-Myths-Rules get perpetuated, is someone writes it in their manual because they saw it in someone else s manual

.
Then there is "Sales Hype" or "Wishful thinking"

that predicts optimistic life (page turns) or claims problems (cycle memory) no longer exist

Reading the "Battery University" article led me to believe that it was a balanced study, that was not "pushing"

any particular technology.
The problem with using a "As Shipped", discharge to the end plan, is...The End Gauge is not or poorly calibrated

(Why not ship with a typical number for a "fresh from stock" battery?) and let User recharges adjust for battery wear down.
I am *assuming* that disconnecting the battery, resets the gauge because of the admonition to not disconnect frequently.

mores · 10-02-2009, 06:53 AM

I'm sorry, I fail to understand what you are telling me.
Please circle the correct answer:

*) No need to run the battery down
*) No need to run the battery down on the first charge only
*) Whatever you do, it won't matter, all batteries die.

kennyc · 10-02-2009, 07:02 AM

None of the above.

If you want the battery gauge to be accurate you need to follow the procedures of

1) FULLY CHARGING the battery the first time. (this is why 12 hours -- just to be certain)
2) LET IT FULLY DISCHARGE before charging for several cycles. (this is to let the software learn where the discharge level is at)

If you plug in your reader every day or two anyway NONE of THIS Matters. The only reason for following this process is so the battery gauge reasonably matches the actual state of charge of the battery. It will not cause your battery to fail sooner or later and will not affect its capacity or duration.

theducks · 10-02-2009, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mores

I'm sorry, I fail to understand what you are telling me.
Please circle the correct answer:

*) No need to run the battery down
*) No need to run the battery down on the first charge only
*) Whatever you do, it won't matter, all batteries die.

ALL of the above,
Except that I would say "Batteries run down".
"Die" is when they can not be recharged,
which can be caused by cycles (age) and OVER DISCHARGE << this is very bad, which is why I do NOT recommend discharging until it stops with an un-calibrated gauge.

80% of normal voltage is considered DISCHARGED. Below that may result in permanent damage to the battery pack. Do not leave a discharged battery this way. Self discharge will drop the voltage more and any further discharge may cause a internal cell (out of 3) to "flip polarity".

kennyc · 10-02-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

None of the above.
...

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

ALL of the above,
...

gargoyle67 · 10-02-2009, 08:50 AM

Well after much running about (sorting office, Main post office) with a print out of the UPS tracking details, I was told that they couldn't tell me anything without their (Royle Mail) tracking details

So I get home to find a letter from (Parcel Force Worldwide) telling me their holding a parcel for me with duty on it

So I phoned them and asked why their was an attempt at delivery and how did I miss it with 3 people in the house ?.
He told me that theres a glitch in the system that says attempted delivery but really there wasn't one

(Nice system

)
So I paid the duty on my card and my friend is going to pick the parcel up after he finishes work

I hope it all works ok after paying duty and parcel forces handling fee of £29.19

10-02-2009, 08:50 AM	#60
gargoyle67 Addict Posts: 231 Karma: 180249 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kobo Aura	Well after much running about (sorting office, Main post office) with a print out of the UPS tracking details, I was told that they couldn't tell me anything without their (Royle Mail) tracking details So I get home to find a letter from (Parcel Force Worldwide) telling me their holding a parcel for me with duty on it So I phoned them and asked why their was an attempt at delivery and how did I miss it with 3 people in the house ?. He told me that theres a glitch in the system that says attempted delivery but really there wasn't one (Nice system) So I paid the duty on my card and my friend is going to pick the parcel up after he finishes work I hope it all works ok after paying duty and parcel forces handling fee of £29.19

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10-01-2009, 09:29 PM	#46
Xerxes Addict Posts: 355 Karma: 90 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, TX Device: Astak EZReader, Pocket Pro	Mines just arrived home. At 8PM. >_< I'm so mad. I'm mid shift and can't go home. Meaning I can't start charging it until 12:30am. Meaning I'll have to wait until 1PM to give a go. Thanks a lot UPS. Is it common to go out in the truck 7am until 8pm? Seems fishy.

10-01-2009, 10:15 PM	#50
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	The 12 hours is in the (skimpy) manual.

10-02-2009, 01:06 AM	#52
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	While you can certainly question the 12 hour number it will not do any harm to leave it on that long. (You could leave it plugged in all the time and it would not overcharge or damage the battery.) I do not believe that it is needed but what is needed is to make sure it is fully charged (which may take an hour or so past the indicator) and then discharge quite a bit to calibrate the gauge. This won't change the battery but will make the battery indicator more accurate. Dale

10-02-2009, 03:28 AM	#54
mores Guru Posts: 834 Karma: 102419 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vienna, Austria Device: iPhone	I usually use the "shipped" amount of energy left in the devices to really empty it out, then charge it for at least 12h. That's how you calibrate a LiPoly battery, subsequent charges need not be like that. Every once in a while one should let the battery run down completely and do the calibration again - says so in my MacBook Pro manual.

10-02-2009, 06:53 AM	#56
mores Guru Posts: 834 Karma: 102419 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vienna, Austria Device: iPhone	I'm sorry, I fail to understand what you are telling me. Please circle the correct answer: ) No need to run the battery down ) No need to run the battery down on the first charge only *) Whatever you do, it won't matter, all batteries die.

10-02-2009, 07:02 AM	#57
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	None of the above. If you want the battery gauge to be accurate you need to follow the procedures of 1) FULLY CHARGING the battery the first time. (this is why 12 hours -- just to be certain) 2) LET IT FULLY DISCHARGE before charging for several cycles. (this is to let the software learn where the discharge level is at) If you plug in your reader every day or two anyway NONE of THIS Matters. The only reason for following this process is so the battery gauge reasonably matches the actual state of charge of the battery. It will not cause your battery to fail sooner or later and will not affect its capacity or duration.

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