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We already have the technology available that would make Libraries - in the form they have today - outdated. There will always be a need for the service libraries provide - e.g. silent rooms, book-renting, catalogisation of information, etc But the physical representation - that is shelves of p-books - will change. Quote:
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The same will, in my opinion, occur with "shelves and shelves with p-books". There will always be a usage for p-books, and there will always be p-books. In fact I am collecting some series as p-books myself and i will continue to do so. Nevertheless I will be changing to e-books "completely" (collecting not withstanding) as soon as e-readers get more usable. Quote:
We will see a gradual shifting of the TV onto the internet - iptv, etc. The "normal TV" as we know it nowadays will die out. But I get your message and in the principal of things I agree. Quote:
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But has this really changed? In earlier times it perhaps was more difficult to broadcast your opinion and perhaps this filtered some off the more obscure publications. But - wether you read the publication in a paper or in the internet, you always have to check and recheck, to reflect about the content, etc. The internet makes checking easier - we will just have to use this option. |
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06-11-2008, 01:05 PM | #32 |
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Again, I think the form the information is taking, not the information itself, is what is altering how we think because it is now given to us in short bursts rather than long dense pages.
Mis-information, whether deliberate or merely mistaken, is certainly not new. Some of the pamphlet writers in the 18th century could give any commenter* a run for their money in the rant-and-flame department. (*I'm thinking of the ones on the gadget blogs, not the gentlefolk here. ) |
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First, I'm not convinced that much of the current change is attributable to Google or even the internet in general. Correlation does not equal causation, but I have yet to see a well-designed study that could even attempt to establish a firm correlation between internet use and style of reading or thinking. So all this is just speculation and hot air.
Beyond that, I understand that some cultures, when first exposed to reading and writing, frowned on its use over traditional methods of oral memorization, on the grounds that writing is easily lost, whereas something memorized stays with a person. (I'm thinking of some early Celtic tribes, here, but I believe the Cherokee voiced similar objections.) Just imagine having to memorize everything, rather than being able to look something up in a book! Or having to find an expert, in person, to learn something new from, rather than being able to go to a library. Yes, I think we need to work to help students understand that copying does not count as reflective writing or original analysis, and explain why these are important skills to have. That was true in the days of printed encyclopedias and Cliff Notes, and it's true now. But I'm a lot more interested in knowing whether we're now able to find answers and solve problems as well or better than before, than in "how" we do that. |
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tirsales, I truely share your view that e-readers might be a good substitute (+ extension!) of the p-book. I'm even enthusiastic for it. But I also agree we are not there yet, so p-books are not outdated yet. (And unless an e-reader gets to be actually cheaper than a single p-book, it will never be a true substitute for holidays to leave it back on the beach while going swimming..)
nekokami, also agree. I don't remember exactly. Which greek philosopher was famous for his worries about (hand)writing destroying culture? Sokrates, Platon or Aristoteles? I guess it was one of these first-suspects --- Oh btw, I believe that some "inclusive hypertext technology" might be much of help to get the authorship issue, in peoples mind. Current HTML allows you to *link* to other pages, but it does not allow you to include content of other sites into yours, and make this even visible. This would be to be used instead of copy/paste. I know iframe can do it to some limited extend, but it is actually that, limited. However it comes with the problems that to my experience non-acedmic people don't want to be "cited". They want they content on their website, in their presentation and nowhere else. Its something you actually get implicitly teached on an academic lifepath. Being cited is a honor and not theft. Obvious for us, not-so-obvious for "normally socialized" people. So for me its definitely not Googles fault, its the fault of how current HTML/HTTP/Web works. Last edited by axel77; 06-11-2008 at 05:27 PM. |
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I do find myself reading less literature and more technical documentation but I account this to the requirements in my professional life. I have not lost the ability to digest long texts although I spend a majority of the day skimming through text to find the pieces of information I require. If I have the time I also still prefer a printed version of what I am reading for pleasure or to keep my mind busy.
Although a bit offtopic I did notice since a while that my ability to properly handwrite has severly degraded since uni. I'm often getting stuck with letters like "m" and "k" and the results look just ridiculous so I stopped handwriting almost altogether. On the other hand I type blindly on 3 keyboard layouts and I don' know many people who can match my typing speed. I guess it all comes down to which patterns or behaviours we utilize and how frequently we exercise them. I think if you only skim read and totaly forget about books/long texts altogether for an extendet time you will be out of practise and it will be tough to concentrate on a meaty piece. |
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Susan Jacoby, in her recent "The Age of American Unreason", repeats a point made by others that reading on a computer screen (and listening to music in short segments on an ipod) is conducive to doing things in short periods. I have "felt" this personally, but I know of no research to back it up. Just imagine reading a George Eliot or Thomas Hardy novel on a computer screen: would you do it? I wouldn't.
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