When did...

crich70 · 06-29-2013, 08:44 PM

they decide to change Mobi books to Kindle books here in the library? Just curious though it does make sense as Mobi books are the format that Kindle uses.

theducks · 06-29-2013, 09:42 PM

I just noticed this also

I agree, the change hurts no one and maybe more folk will look at this.

JSWolf · 06-29-2013, 10:03 PM

Actually, it is wrong. If you are using Mobipocket Reader on an old device, you might not know what Kindle Books are. They should be Mobi for people to know.

crich70 · 06-29-2013, 10:33 PM

A lot of old devices can't read newer mobipocket ebooks as the software isn't always updated. That happened to the Franklin Ebookman 911 that I have somewhere. Mobipocket.com decided to discontinue supporting it. I was not happy about that at the time.

JSWolf · 06-29-2013, 10:39 PM

Why not just do away with them once we make sure we have a good ePub? That would solve any problem.

Billi · 06-30-2013, 02:22 AM

Not only as a still proud owner of some Bookeen devices I find it a little bit sad. I've never seen a problem with the correct naming of the format "mobi" as the suitable devices are all mentioned in the bracket.

pdurrant · 06-30-2013, 04:21 AM

While people who have been involved in ebooks for more than five years have no problem identifying Mobipocket files as the ones suitable for Kindle devices, there are many people new to ebooks for whom this is not at all obvious.

Mobipocket is dead. Kindle format makes a lot more sense going forward.

(And anyone who's been using ebooks since before the Kindle came on the scene also has no problem knowing what's meant by Kindle format.)

HarryT · 06-30-2013, 06:47 AM

To answer the question, we changed it yesterday, for the reasons that Paul described. The entire moderating team felt that this was a necessary and worthwhile change. Both the library forum AND the book formats forum names have been changed from "Mobi" to "Kindle".

daffy4u · 06-30-2013, 11:05 AM

I was confused by this thread because I've always used the "E-Books" drop down list at the top of the forum. It still lists "Mobipocket Download Guide" and "Mobipocket (MOBI)".

I could not figure out where you were seeing Kindle books until HarryT's post.

HarryT · 06-30-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

I was confused by this thread because I've always used the "E-Books" drop down list at the top of the forum. It still lists "Mobipocket Download Guide" and "Mobipocket (MOBI)".

I could not figure out where you were seeing Kindle books until HarryT's post.

Thanks - we'd forgotten about that. We'll get it changed.

JSWolf · 06-30-2013, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdurrant

While people who have been involved in ebooks for more than five years have no problem identifying Mobipocket files as the ones suitable for Kindle devices, there are many people new to ebooks for whom this is not at all obvious.

Mobipocket is dead. Kindle format makes a lot more sense going forward.

(And anyone who's been using ebooks since before the Kindle came on the scene also has no problem knowing what's meant by Kindle format.)

Mobipocket files should be named Mobi or Mobipocket as that's the format. KF8/AZW3 should be named for what they are. You see, the problem is that you'll call them Kindle books and we'll talk about them for what they are Mobi/AZW or KF8/AZW3 and the then there will be confusion because you've misnamed the format of the eBooks. Do you want that because you misnamed the formats? I would hope not. Why not call ePub a non-kindle book? That is what it is. But it's also WRONG. Just like calling Mobipocket a Kindle Format is also WRONG! It's not Kindle Format. It's Mobipocket. It's Not Kindle Format, it's KF8. Some may know them as AZW, Mobi, KF8, AZW3, but not many know them as the incorrect Kindle Format.

That would be like us calling you Frank when your name is Paul. We don't do that because it's WRONG. So don't arbitrarily change the name of eBooks the Kindle handles because it's WRONG.

JSWolf · 06-30-2013, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Thanks - we'd forgotten about that. We'll get it changed.

You mean you'll make it 100% WRONG!

crich70 · 07-01-2013, 01:29 AM

Whether Mobi or KF8/AZW3 they all open up on a Kindle device and are formatted to have a TOC (at least the one's here at MR do) so why not have an all inclusive header? the KF8 and AZW3 books are through Amazon while compatible ebooks in Mobi format are found here so there isn't a danger of mixing them up so what's the problem? The only real difference between Mobi and the KF8/AZW3 files is that the latter two have DRM on them as I understand it.

HarryT · 07-01-2013, 01:31 AM

The only problem here is Jon's obsessive hatred of Amazon.

EowynCarter · 07-01-2013, 03:13 AM

I think it should be named mobi / kindle books so it's clear to everyone involved.

06-29-2013, 08:44 PM	#1
crich70 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,305 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	When did... they decide to change Mobi books to Kindle books here in the library? Just curious though it does make sense as Mobi books are the format that Kindle uses.

06-29-2013, 09:42 PM	#2
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,804 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	I just noticed this also I agree, the change hurts no one and maybe more folk will look at this.

06-29-2013, 10:03 PM	#3
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,983 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Actually, it is wrong. If you are using Mobipocket Reader on an old device, you might not know what Kindle Books are. They should be Mobi for people to know.

06-29-2013, 10:33 PM	#4
crich70 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,305 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	A lot of old devices can't read newer mobipocket ebooks as the software isn't always updated. That happened to the Franklin Ebookman 911 that I have somewhere. Mobipocket.com decided to discontinue supporting it. I was not happy about that at the time.

06-29-2013, 10:39 PM	#5
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,983 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Why not just do away with them once we make sure we have a good ePub? That would solve any problem.

06-30-2013, 02:22 AM	#6
Billi Wizard Posts: 3,388 Karma: 14190103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Berlin Device: Cybook, iRex, PB, Onyx	Not only as a still proud owner of some Bookeen devices I find it a little bit sad. I've never seen a problem with the correct naming of the format "mobi" as the suitable devices are all mentioned in the bracket.

06-30-2013, 04:21 AM	#7
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 71,507 Karma: 306214458 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Voyage	While people who have been involved in ebooks for more than five years have no problem identifying Mobipocket files as the ones suitable for Kindle devices, there are many people new to ebooks for whom this is not at all obvious. Mobipocket is dead. Kindle format makes a lot more sense going forward. (And anyone who's been using ebooks since before the Kindle came on the scene also has no problem knowing what's meant by Kindle format.)

06-30-2013, 06:47 AM	#8
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	To answer the question, we changed it yesterday, for the reasons that Paul described. The entire moderating team felt that this was a necessary and worthwhile change. Both the library forum AND the book formats forum names have been changed from "Mobi" to "Kindle".

06-30-2013, 11:05 AM	#9
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis	I was confused by this thread because I've always used the "E-Books" drop down list at the top of the forum. It still lists "Mobipocket Download Guide" and "Mobipocket (MOBI)". I could not figure out where you were seeing Kindle books until HarryT's post.

07-01-2013, 01:29 AM	#13
crich70 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,305 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	Whether Mobi or KF8/AZW3 they all open up on a Kindle device and are formatted to have a TOC (at least the one's here at MR do) so why not have an all inclusive header? the KF8 and AZW3 books are through Amazon while compatible ebooks in Mobi format are found here so there isn't a danger of mixing them up so what's the problem? The only real difference between Mobi and the KF8/AZW3 files is that the latter two have DRM on them as I understand it.

07-01-2013, 01:31 AM	#14
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	The only problem here is Jon's obsessive hatred of Amazon.

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07-01-2013, 03:13 AM	#15
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,332 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	I think it should be named mobi / kindle books so it's clear to everyone involved.