02-13-2017, 05:12 PM | #1 |
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How to Incorporate Pic Attribute for CC lic
Maybe I am in the wrong forum for this question, but I'm using Sigil for my how-to book and am at the stage where I am adding necessary pictures. Some are covered by the Creative Commons ShareAlike license and require an attribute, link to the work, disclaimer, etc.
On a webpage this would be simple enough but not sure how to go about it in an ebook. Would an internal link to a page following the Appendix that lists all this info for the picture, and includes an external link to the work be the correct way to approach this? It seems a lot of info to put in the body of the book under the picture. Guidance? A link to something I can read that would point me in the right direction? (Tried Googling but apparently I don't know how to word the query to get relevant hits.) TIA. EDIT: I think I found what I needed but any input is welcome. I will leave this in case it helps others... here is the link I found to help. EDIT#2: Well, it's not very helpful since the methods for attribution assume a webpage and not an ebook... but with some work... Last edited by Trane; 02-13-2017 at 06:50 PM. Reason: Found more info |
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I would create a page that references all pictures with the required attributes/links to works/disclaimers/etc and place that page at the end.
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Thanks Toxaris and Turtle91. That would be the elegant solution but I doubt it meets the Creative Commons license requirements for CC BY SA (CC ShareAlike), as all attributes are supposed to be with the image. If there is a special clause that allows this alternate method for ebooks (which imho there should be), I am unaware of it.
Affixing the CC BY SA logo to a pic in Photoshop is easy enough, but the logo needs to link to the license, while the pic needs to link to the original work. You can accomplish multiple links within an image in Photoshop, but the method it uses is intended for webpages, so it saves the resulting file as HTML + a folder with accompanying images. I will have dozens of images so even if I knew how to import these into Sigil and make it all work (i.e. I'd then have to place these linked images inside my text), it seemed over-wrought. Ditching that, I tried placing the CC BY SA logo below each pic in Sigil (I made a very small one in Photoshop), and use Sigil to link it to the license, then the image can be linked to the original, per lic requirements... however you also have to use the author's title of the image, and his/her name. That is a lot of info, especially when the author chooses an exceptionally long name for the image... and now imagine two images side-by-side that are 250px wide each, and it became clear this was not going to work. It would def require a separate page to keep the book looking clean and I doubt that meets CC BY SA requirements. (Some authors probably wouldn't mind, but others might.) ?? IAC I want to be in compliance. Personally, after two days of trying every angle, I arrived at the inescapable conclusion that CC0-licensed images are the way to go. For those new to this, CC0 (that's a zero) means the author released the work into the public domain to use for any reason without restrictions or need of attribution. I am affixing the CC0 logo to each image just so people know the pictures weren't pilfered. And I am keeping a table of where each came from and the author, as I do want to credit the authors who were kind enough to make their work available, even though it isn't required... and in this case I can use a separate page at the end of the book. If anyone has a better solution for CC BY SA images, or knows that a separate page in ebooks is okay for that more restrictive license, I'd be interested as there may be some images I cannot find with a CC0 license. Last edited by Trane; 02-15-2017 at 02:20 PM. |
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Problem. ADE doesn't do image links.
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What's ADE? Sorry for my ignorance.
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I am certainly not a lawyer, but I'm thinking those requirements for links are based/intended for web pages where each page is it's own "legal entity" separate from the rest of the domain. An ePub is a complete product - a complete entity - of it's own. The copyright page is valid no matter where it is placed - front or back - of the book because it is a single entity. Likewise I would thing that attributions are ok as long as it is somewhere within that entity.
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According to the license requirements...I'm thinking you are OK with a single page at the back:
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div.entirefigure { margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em; page-break-inside: avoid; } div.figureimage { text-align: center; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0; } p.figuretitle { font-weight: bold; text-align: center; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0; } p.caption { font-size: .75em; text-align: right; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0; } Quote:
And I am no fan of merging captions into the images themselves (that is just going to cause you headaches in the future + isn't Searchable/Text-to-Speech friendly + doesn't follow user settings [font size, font color, font, [...]]). Also, as JSWolf mentioned, links surrounding images don't work too well in ADE. It would probably be better to just have a text link somewhere. Quote:
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wik...cific_elements And IF it becomes too burdensome to shove all that info into a little tiny caption, I would follow what Toxaris recommended... just have a page/section at the very end that goes into more detail: Quote:
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https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wik...ring_rights.3F For example, in the EU, creators may still have Moral Rights (no such thing as Moral Rights in the US). And you know these copyright maximalists... they are constantly creating new laws to pull previously Public Domain material under copyright. From all of my years of being interested in the topic, CC-BY is probably your best bet to something that is actually enforceable in court internationally, while still being as close to the Public Domain as currently possible. Side Note: As an example of new laws trying to pull from the Public Domain, a few years ago in Argentina: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ikipedia.shtml Quote:
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CC0 doesn't require attribution so no links are required. Another good reason to use CC0 if at all possible. |
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Then there is the CC0 logo that is a 0 (zero) with a slash through it. This means the person posting the work is the author and has released the work into the PD without reserving rights or requiring attribution. (Edit: This is the only CC0 I am using.) I much prefer this to CC BY SA, personally. As to putting the 0 (zero) logo on pictures that the author posted with the CC0 license... Quote:
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I might be willing to chance it with a smaller book and fewer pics, but not with this particular project. I am probably being overly cautious but I prefer that to being wrong later. |
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Great!
However, I don't think you need to worry about 'revisiting' the work if they change the standard in the future. The images are released under a specific version of the license... I think the latest for CC SA is version 4. As long as you comply with the requirements of the version under which it was released the author cannot take back - or change - those licenses. As a matter of fact, it says so, right on the license: Quote:
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IAC the entire point of her post was to "beware" of CC BY SA b/c "the owners can change the license type anytime they want, putting you in non-compliance." So she switched to CC0 images. That was another thing that put me off my feed where CC BY SA is concerned, but maybe she was mistaken and he "had no right" to change the license type. I am no CC expert! However your help was much appreciated as I do feel easier about including a page within the book to reference any CC BY SA images if it turns out in the end I have to include a few! |
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