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Old 01-21-2022, 12:13 PM   #31
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Don't forget the fact that language and definitions themselves do not remain stagnant (even if we might want them to).

I just find it odd whenever someone wants to draw a very public line in the sand about what "reading" is and isn't--and will argue to death that there is no wiggle room whatsoever. But those same people usually won't say a word whenever people talk about "dialing" a phone number.

When someone asks me if I've read 'Book X', I'm never going to say "no, but I listened to it." I'm going to say "yes" (or no) and get to the part of the conversation that actually matters: what we thought about 'Book X'. How we might have described our "consumption" of 'Book X' is actually quite meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

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Old 01-21-2022, 02:19 PM   #32
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I'm never going to say "no, but I listened to it."
Me either. I'd just reply "I listened to it." Leads to an even more accurate conversation that way.
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Old 01-21-2022, 02:44 PM   #33
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I think I'm unusual in being a bookworm. I know a lot of younger educated people who don't read books and think it's unusual when I'm reading an ebook. I do find, when looking for info as well as entertainment, that I watch a lot of Youtube videos during this pandemic. (I try to stay clear of political videos, as I don't want "the algorithm" to rewrite reality for me.) I find I absorb info better when reading, and I can read much faster than people can talk (most of the time). I know many tech-illiterate people, who don't like reading, who nonetheless watch a lot of Youtube videos.

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Yeah, I had a coworker like that. He never read a book unless it was necessary for work, and before that for school. I was gobsmacked. And he said he didn't watch TV but he did spend a lot of time playing computer games.
I have coworkers with a similar attitude toward computers. They're needed for work and nothing else.
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:27 PM   #34
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I have coworkers with a similar attitude toward computers. They're needed for work and nothing else.
Well, looks like they are handy for accessing Mobileread
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:54 PM   #35
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I just find it odd whenever someone wants to draw a very public line in the sand about what "reading" is and isn't--and will argue to death that there is no wiggle room whatsoever. But those same people usually won't say a word whenever people talk about "dialing" a phone number.
Yes, I find it odd as well. Not everything can fit into those little boxes we all seem to want to use to make life tidy.

I think that most people don't realize how many different ways brains are wired. For example, I'm a bookworm, yet don't get into audiobooks that much. When I read text, I usually visualize the scene in my head, and quit seeing the words. A poorly written fiction will keep throwing me out, and ruin my visuals. Audiobooks will put me to sleep unless I'm walking the dog while listening, or on a road trip.

Hubby, OTOH, can't do that. He says he can't even imagine what it's like to 'see' the action in his head. He hears the words when he reads as a voice, and has a condition where he won't actually see all the words in a sentence anyway. (It's not dylexia we don't think, but he's never followed up on testing.) Something to do with poor connection between the left and right hemispheres of the brain. So he doesn't read for pleasure, and when he was in college I read most of his heavy reading out loud for him. But he LOVES audiobooks, and is a bit of a snob in that he wants real human voices. So we have duplicates of some favorite genres, text and audiobook, if we're both going to read it.

(I hang around Amazon, he hangs around Audible, and we recommend books to each other.)

To me, they're both reading. We both absorbed the story in different formats, but it's still reading. When someone asks him if he's read a specific book, he'll say yes. Then they can talk about the story.

I really doubt anyone cares if he read it from a physical book, an audio book, or an ebook. They're still talking about the same story.
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Old 01-21-2022, 07:58 PM   #36
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Abelist, much? Why are you trying so hard to police how people with disabilities consume content that they literally cannot every consume by your definition of reading? None of us sighted folks have any business telling those with limited or no sight whether or not they are "reading" a book just because they do it differently than we do.

Also, I don't know why you feel that "touch" as reading qualifies it to be reading more than hearing.

Audiobooks are cheaper to buy than braille books, easier to store, and easier to find. This also ignores those who lose their sight later in life and are too infirm or otherwise incapable of learning how to read braille.

My mother has macular degeneration and loves to read. She now reads audiobooks through National Library Service in conjunction with the State of Georgia. All states have this service for those who are legally blind. They provide free audiobooks and a player. The books come in the mail, and they send enough to keep her reading until the next batch arrives. They also provide free mailers to return the books once you have finished them. They will also provide Braille books for free too. If you know anyone who is legally blind and likes to read help them sign up for this wonderful service.
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Old 01-26-2022, 07:10 PM   #37
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The article's got some fascinating numbers.

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The share of Americans who said they read more than 10 books over the course of the previous 12 months dropped from about a third of Americans (34 percent) in 2016 to just more than a quarter (27 percent) in 2021.

The average American consumed 12.6 books last year, down from 15.6 in 2016 and 14.2 in 2005. At peak consumption, in 1999, the average American reported getting through 18.5 books.
1. Only 27% read more than 10 books in the past year.
2. Average books-per-person is 12.6, so... less than 1/4 of the people are reading the "average" number.

Note that the survey question (source) is "During the past year, about how many books did you read, either all or part of the way through?"

So it's not even, "average reading rate is 12.6 books/year." It's "average reading rate involves starting 12.6 books/year."

(Meanwhile, ParanormalRomances Georg is out there zipping through 4 Kindle Unlimited books/day and throwing off the averages.)

Statistics about "how many books did you partially read in the last year" are not particularly useful anymore; they don't tell us anything about the state of literature in the US.

In the 90s, people who didn't read books sometimes read magazines or newspapers, but mostly got their entertainment & education from tv, movies, or radio. Today... a person can "not read books" but still spend a substantial amount of time reading both fiction and nonfiction.

OTOH, we have a growing number who don't read much of anything, because they don't have to, and because schools have no idea how to teach "books are one type of information & entertainment media among many; here's how to get the most out of them" instead of "you should read books to learn and also for fun."
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Old 01-27-2022, 09:41 PM   #38
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OTOH, we have a growing number who don't read much of anything, because they don't have to, and because schools have no idea how to teach "books are one type of information & entertainment media among many; here's how to get the most out of them" instead of "you should read books to learn and also for fun."
This is something I suffer from. I graduated high school a decade ago at this point, but I really hated that books were only shown to be something you consumed for deeper meaning, allegory, etc. Yes, books can provide that and I do pick up on the themes when I'm reading casually, but writing a 5 page essay about how X is Y in this century-old book when you're a 15 year old did much to kill my interest.

I don't think that reading shouldn't be assigned in school, but I think it would have been a lot more fun if we had more latitude in what we got to read and been allowed to read more modern, popular things. There were definitely classic books I enjoyed in high school, but I think I would have had more interest in what I was reading if the class just offered a list of 5 books, a short summary, and you got to pick which was the most interesting to you.

Just a thought
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Statistics about "how many books did you partially read in the last year" are not particularl
y useful anymore; they don't tell us anything about the state of literature in the US.

In the 90s, people who didn't read books sometimes read magazines or newspapers, but mostly got their entertainment & education from tv, movies, or radio. Today... a person can "not read books" but still spend a substantial amount of time reading both fiction and nonfiction.
This thread has reminded me of my Year of Stress where all I read was fanfiction. I'm not sure I'd have thought to include those among books I read despite the fact that many of them are as long and as well plotted as your average fiction book.

Even now my fiction reading slot is still mostly taken up by fanfiction, I've just vastly increased the amount of nonfiction I read.
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Even now my fiction reading slot is still mostly taken up by fanfiction, I've just vastly increased the amount of nonfiction I read.
Same with me, for a few years. I had some really good fanfic wallows going on. I'm back into mainstream fiction now, but have another huge stash of fanfic waiting to go.

I wouldn't have counted those as 'books' either.
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