Creating "Tagged PDF" for small screens - Page 2

DaleDe · 09-24-2008, 07:10 PM

By the way, in Framemaker there is an option to compress the tags. Be sure this is not checked or some programs will have problems reading your files. As I recall tags were compressed by default.

starrigger · 09-24-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

You need to load the Adobe Reader from the site I referenced and see if ActiveSync will convert your files. It is Reader version 2 by the way.

No, my point earlier was that Reader 2.0 and my version of Win CE are not compatible. At least, that was the result when I tried, some weeks back.

However, it's worth passing on the information to other writers that if they have PDF files that need tagging and they do have the later version of Reader, they can use that as a converter, then transfer the files back if they want to upload them to their website.

starrigger · 09-24-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

By the way, in Framemaker there is an option to compress the tags. Be sure this is not checked or some programs will have problems reading your files. As I recall tags were compressed by default.

I don't recall seeing that option. But my version of Framemaker is at least five years old, and probably more.

What seemed to make or break the Framemaker tagging was making sure that any styles I used in the doc were in the "include" column, somewhere in that maze of options.

starrigger · 09-24-2008, 10:18 PM

I seem to be answering in reverse order here...

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Originally Posted by DDHarriman

It can happen that the files look much better in these devices with Acrobat 2, then what you are getting with version 1.

That may be so. But I think there's often an assumption that "most people" are using up to date hardware and software, when in fact I'll bet there are a lot of people who aren't. Especially folks who aren't really into all this, and may just be taking a flyer with their old gear to see if they can read a book on their PDA.

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Originally Posted by DDHarriman

If you want an example, what I get normally is something very similar to what you can see in Adobes site (left image):
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readerforppc.html

That's pretty much what I see in Reader 1.0. (With properly tagged files, that is.)

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Originally Posted by DDHarriman

If you want I can test in my 2 pocketpcs, 2003 and windows mobile 5, with one of your files and try to get back to you.

That might be a useful experiment. Do you want to PM me your email address? Thanks.

Jellby · 09-25-2008, 05:04 AM

Are you creating large-size (A4 or letter) documents and expecting small-screen (PDAs or eBook readers) devices to reformat the text?

Why don't you do it the other way? Create a small-size PDF and let the computer PDF reader reformat it if needed/desired.

starrigger · 09-25-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Are you creating large-size (A4 or letter) documents and expecting small-screen (PDAs or eBook readers) devices to reformat the text?

Why don't you do it the other way? Create a small-size PDF and let the computer PDF reader reformat it if needed/desired.

If the file is tagged to allow the reader to reformat the text, it doesn't matter what size page it's starting from. If you go to my downloads page and download a copy of Neptune Crossing in what I call PDF2 (okay, you can just click the link here), you'll get a book that displays full-size on your computer. Put it on your PDA, and it'll reflow down to your desired screen size, at your desired font size. (Though vertical blank space may get squished.)

If you download the one I call PDF1, you'll get a file that looks nicer on the full-sized computer, and will resize nicely on the computer--but if you copy it to a PDA, it won't reflow. That is, unless you have a newer PDA system than mine, which I understand can do the necessary tagging. (It would be great if someone could test that for me and report back.)

Actually, I have no idea what the effect of all this is on other kinds of ebook readers, such as the e-ink devices. I'd be grateful if someone could test those files on other PDF-reading devices and let me know what they find.

DaleDe · 09-25-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by starrigger

No, my point earlier was that Reader 2.0 and my version of Win CE are not compatible. At least, that was the result when I tried, some weeks back.

However, it's worth passing on the information to other writers that if they have PDF files that need tagging and they do have the later version of Reader, they can use that as a converter, then transfer the files back if they want to upload them to their website.

The whole point was that the version two software was ported to devices that are not identified as compatible with the standard ported version. I have it running on a Jornada 720 which is certainly not standard. You need to try this for yourself, not just dismiss it because the Adobe site said so.

Dale

starrigger · 09-25-2008, 01:48 PM

I did try it. I'm reporting what the installation effort told me.

I suppose I could try it again, but I'm not optimistic.

DaleDe · 09-25-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by starrigger

I did try it. I'm reporting what the installation effort told me.

I suppose I could try it again, but I'm not optimistic.

You tried this one? http://www.hpcfactor.com/support/cesd/s/0090.asp

There is also a list here: http://www.hpcfactor.com/downloads/

Dale

starrigger · 09-25-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

You tried this one? http://www.hpcfactor.com/support/cesd/s/0090.asp

There is also a list here: http://www.hpcfactor.com/downloads/

Dale

Ah--I didn't understand that people had hacked (tweaked?) Reader for installation on older systems. I have downloaded their version. But when I unpacked the .CAB file, I found nothing to click on--no exe or com file. So I don't know where to go from here.

DDHarriman · 09-25-2008, 03:08 PM

If it's a CAB file, you copy it into a folder inside your pocketpc and double click on it with your stylus.
If all goes well, the file just auto-installs.

I have sent you a PM early in the day (my early of course).

starrigger · 09-25-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DDHarriman

If it's a CAB file, you copy it into a folder inside your pocketpc and double click on it with your stylus.
If all goes well, the file just auto-installs.

I have sent you a PM early in the day (my early of course).

Ahhh...

Got your PM and have emailed you two PDF files. Thanks.

DDHarriman · 09-25-2008, 05:09 PM

Just sent you by email the results.

Best,

starrigger · 09-25-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DDHarriman

If it's a CAB file, you copy it into a folder inside your pocketpc and double click on it with your stylus.
If all goes well, the file just auto-installs.

No go. "File cannot be installed on a device of this type."

DDHarriman · 09-25-2008, 05:45 PM

I'm sorry, then I can not help with that, maybe DaleDe can elaborate?

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09-24-2008, 07:10 PM	#16
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	By the way, in Framemaker there is an option to compress the tags. Be sure this is not checked or some programs will have problems reading your files. As I recall tags were compressed by default.

09-25-2008, 05:04 AM	#20
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,516 Karma: 18512745 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Are you creating large-size (A4 or letter) documents and expecting small-screen (PDAs or eBook readers) devices to reformat the text? Why don't you do it the other way? Create a small-size PDF and let the computer PDF reader reformat it if needed/desired.

09-25-2008, 01:48 PM	#23
starrigger Jeffrey A. Carver Posts: 1,355 Karma: 1107383 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Massachusetts, USA Device: Lenovo Yoga Tab Plus, Droid phone, Nook HD+	I did try it. I'm reporting what the installation effort told me. I suppose I could try it again, but I'm not optimistic.

09-25-2008, 03:08 PM	#26
DDHarriman Guru Posts: 860 Karma: 4380 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Almada, Portugal Device: Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS 505, Kindle DXG and Samsung Galaxy Note	If it's a CAB file, you copy it into a folder inside your pocketpc and double click on it with your stylus. If all goes well, the file just auto-installs. I have sent you a PM early in the day (my early of course).

09-25-2008, 05:09 PM	#28
DDHarriman Guru Posts: 860 Karma: 4380 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Almada, Portugal Device: Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS 505, Kindle DXG and Samsung Galaxy Note	Just sent you by email the results. Best,

09-25-2008, 05:45 PM	#30
DDHarriman Guru Posts: 860 Karma: 4380 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Almada, Portugal Device: Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS 505, Kindle DXG and Samsung Galaxy Note	I'm sorry, then I can not help with that, maybe DaleDe can elaborate?

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