USA stopping 2G & 3G network service affects some Kindle Devices - Page 2

John F · 07-29-2021, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The first Kindle was not LCD. It was eInk.

Be that as it may, Amazon did not mention eink.

EltaninPub · 07-29-2021, 04:26 PM

OK, I feel a teensy bit guilty... I went to Amazon Warehouse and found a "Used - very good condition" paperwhite (and I believe it's the newest version because it says waterproof) for $73. Amazon had given me $70 off a paperwhite or Oasis, plus $25 in ebook credits if I buy a new paperwhite or Oasis, and... it worked on the used one! So I'm getting a "Used - very good" paperwhite for $3, plus $25 in ebook credit. I did buy an $18 cover...

Quoth · 07-29-2021, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon is wrong here. Sony was the company that started with a Reader that used eInk. The first eInk based reader released in the US was the Sony Reader PRS-505.

And Palm using Mobi from Mobipocket was the first popular ebook platform. Then Windows CE PDAs and Symbian phones had Mobi.

Amazon bought and buried Mobipocket in 2005.

Their success in ebooks is for similar reasons to their success at online sales of paper books. Not the technology.

Sony was first with commercial eInk, but ebooks were already well established.

Project Gutenberg was started in 1971! I was downloading and reading on my Laptop from 2004.

Though people DID read on the Palm 160 x 160 pixel PDA.

In 2004 Sony released the Librié in Japan, the first e-book reader with an electronic paper E Ink display. Sony released the PRS-500 Sony Reader e-book reader in September 2006 in the USA. I saw a Sony in Dublin 2007 but couldn't afford it.

Mobipocket was founded in 2000, bought by Amazon in 2005. Amazon released the Kindle, its first e-reader, on November 19, 2007.

Quoth · 07-29-2021, 04:43 PM

And Amazon has at least twice orphaned DRM.
"On October 31, 2016, Amazon permanently shut down the Mobipocket website and servers."
Though the DRM on .prc files is long ago defeated.

Do not rely on the Cloud or on continued support for ANY DRM. Don't upload or share copyright material as that's the justification for DRM. DRM is a lie that disadvantages consumers and has never stopped piracy.

copyrite · 07-29-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deskisamess

Amazon isn't responsible for this, why does the subject line say it is? The sunsetting of 2/3g has been talked about for many years. It shouldn't be a surprise for anyone.

Because that was my interpretation of the email and I have no clue how to edit the thread title.

I also had no clue this has been talked about for many years.

jscris · 07-31-2021, 02:41 PM

What are the terms and conditions mentioned in the emails? I have both 1st and 2nd gen but haven't been using them. They both still will power on and show the menu but 3g isn't working here, or barely working. I did not get the email.

Barbara1955 · 07-31-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by binaryhermit

It's not Amazon, it's Sprint and AT&T.

(FWIW, I think the Sprint 2G/3G the first gen and early 2nd gen devices used has been all but phased out or otherwise unusable by Kindles for a couple years now)

No Sprint! They are T-Mobile now...

salamanderjuice · 07-31-2021, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon is wrong here. Sony was the company that started with a Reader that used eInk. The first eInk based reader released in the US was the Sony Reader PRS-505.

Sony didn't have an eReader with a cellular or even WiFi connection until after the Kindle launched. With Kindle you could go to the beach and buy a book straight off the device. To do that with a Sony reader at the time you would have needed a laptop, 3G modem, and USB cable to connect to the eReader. That's what they're talking about and how they revolutionized buying books. They also launched digital self publishing at the same time as the Kindle and I don't think Sony or anyone else had anything similar.

The PRS-500 also launched in the U.S. but was quickly replaced by the 505.

binaryhermit · 07-31-2021, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara1955

No Sprint! They are T-Mobile now...

Technically yes, but the 2G and 3G Sprint used was from the CDMA family of standards and the 2G and 3G TMobile used was from the GSM family of standards.

And phones that did both GSM standards and CDMA standards were barely a thing before LTE was deeply entrenched.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Amazon switched to AT&T because it was easier to just install a GSM modem and ship it globally than a CDMA modem in the US and a GSM modem elsewhere (The CDMA standards were mostly only a thing in the US)

Badcatalex · 07-31-2021, 10:07 PM

FIY, in order to have gotten any of these 3G deals for owners of 3G Kindles, the device has to have been active between January 1st of this year and June 30th.
Hence why many Kindle 1 owners simply didn't get the free Oasis offer, as many people who have those haven't used them in a long while. I however used mine at least once with 3G on in that timespan. The K1 is pretty rare too so that doesn't help.

Edit: so you know, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of.Kindle 1 owners who got the offer are between 5 to 25 or something- no matter what it is probably not very big. Many people who even have a Kindle 1 probably put it in storage and have a newer one.

jscris · 08-01-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Badcatalex

FIY, in order to have gotten any of these 3G deals for owners of 3G Kindles, the device has to have been active between January 1st of this year and June 30th.
Hence why many Kindle 1 owners simply didn't get the free Oasis offer, as many people who have those haven't used them in a long while. I however used mine at least once with 3G on in that timespan. The K1 is pretty rare too so that doesn't help.

Edit: so you know, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of.Kindle 1 owners who got the offer are between 5 to 25 or something- no matter what it is probably not very big. Many people who even have a Kindle 1 probably put it in storage and have a newer one.

Exactly what I was thinking. I thought between 1 and 5. I still have it and it did take a charge, but won't connect to 3G. Same with the kindle 2. But they weren't used earlier this year so I'm out of luck on the offer. I was astonished that the batteries would still take a charge after all these years of being in storage.

Badcatalex · 08-01-2021, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jscris

Exactly what I was thinking. I thought between 1 and 5. I still have it and it did take a charge, but won't connect to 3G. Same with the kindle 2. But they weren't used earlier this year so I'm out of luck on the offer. I was astonished that the batteries would still take a charge after all these years of being in storage.

For me, I had gotten my Kindle 1 late last year for $15 (alongside a Kindle 4 for $14, and a brand new case for the K4 for $3) and in my town, there is no Sprint coverage at all! However, two nearby cities have coverage so almost every time I went to those I would bring my Kindle 1. I had to also buy a universal power adapter kit (you know with the tips n stuff) in order to charge the Kindle 1 as official power adapters are EXTREMELY rare.
Kindle 1s are rare because they were only really sold for five and a half hours- when they were restocked in 2008 the Kindle 2 was out and costed less and had more features. Lots of people sold the Kindle 1 (or traded them in if that was possible) and as such most Kindle 1 units aren't owned by their original owners, or they haven't been powered in years.

jscris · 08-01-2021, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Badcatalex

For me, I had gotten my Kindle 1 late last year for $15 (alongside a Kindle 4 for $14, and a brand new case for the K4 for $3) and in my town, there is no Sprint coverage at all! However, two nearby cities have coverage so almost every time I went to those I would bring my Kindle 1. I had to also buy a universal power adapter kit (you know with the tips n stuff) in order to charge the Kindle 1 as official power adapters are EXTREMELY rare.
Kindle 1s are rare because they were only really sold for five and a half hours- when they were restocked in 2008 the Kindle 2 was out and costed less and had more features. Lots of people sold the Kindle 1 (or traded them in if that was possible) and as such most Kindle 1 units aren't owned by their original owners, or they haven't been powered in years.

Yes, I imagine there aren't many around. I knew it was too good to be true that I would get a free Oasis.

Zimmy · 08-02-2021, 07:48 AM

I own several Kindles including 2 with 3G.
The one I am most concerned with is my DX which (in Amazon's infinite wisdom) does not include WiFi support.
I have not received an email from Amazon (maybe because I purchased it at Staples?).

Quoth · 08-02-2021, 12:24 PM

The only issue with DX & DXG is the time / date setting which is either (eventually) from the Mobile Network, or otherwise you need to jailbreak and use a console command. It loses that if the battery is so low that the Kindle turns off.

You don't need WiFi or Mobile to actually buy books and actually it's better to Download and transfer via PC as then you have a backup and can use the DX serial number (on your Amazon account if DX dies) to read all the books on the superior Kobo.

Really the DX and DXG are heavy dinosaurs that only support old mobi and are too slow and too low resolution for scanned PDFs.

The KK3 is better for actual ebooks, though takes ages to find the time & date via WiFi.

Stupid design decisions and even back then Amazon put too little RAM in the DX & DXG and earlier.

07-31-2021, 10:07 PM	#25
Badcatalex I draw. Posts: 128 Karma: 4278578 Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Midwestern US Device: K1, K4B, KPW3, KOA3, KF7 (2019)	FIY, in order to have gotten any of these 3G deals for owners of 3G Kindles, the device has to have been active between January 1st of this year and June 30th. Hence why many Kindle 1 owners simply didn't get the free Oasis offer, as many people who have those haven't used them in a long while. I however used mine at least once with 3G on in that timespan. The K1 is pretty rare too so that doesn't help. Edit: so you know, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of.Kindle 1 owners who got the offer are between 5 to 25 or something- no matter what it is probably not very big. Many people who even have a Kindle 1 probably put it in storage and have a newer one. Last edited by Badcatalex; 07-31-2021 at 10:19 PM.

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07-29-2021, 04:26 PM	#17
EltaninPub Nameless Being	OK, I feel a teensy bit guilty... I went to Amazon Warehouse and found a "Used - very good condition" paperwhite (and I believe it's the newest version because it says waterproof) for $73. Amazon had given me $70 off a paperwhite or Oasis, plus $25 in ebook credits if I buy a new paperwhite or Oasis, and... it worked on the used one! So I'm getting a "Used - very good" paperwhite for $3, plus $25 in ebook credit. I did buy an $18 cover...

07-29-2021, 04:43 PM	#19
Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,161 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	And Amazon has at least twice orphaned DRM. "On October 31, 2016, Amazon permanently shut down the Mobipocket website and servers." Though the DRM on .prc files is long ago defeated. Do not rely on the Cloud or on continued support for ANY DRM. Don't upload or share copyright material as that's the justification for DRM. DRM is a lie that disadvantages consumers and has never stopped piracy.

07-31-2021, 02:41 PM	#21
jscris Addict Posts: 393 Karma: 123456 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central US Device: k1 - KAO2, ipads, h2o, KA1, inkBOOK, T80s, Mars, Nova Pro	What are the terms and conditions mentioned in the emails? I have both 1st and 2nd gen but haven't been using them. They both still will power on and show the menu but 3g isn't working here, or barely working. I did not get the email.

08-02-2021, 07:48 AM	#29
Zimmy Connoisseur Posts: 65 Karma: 504022 Join Date: Feb 2012 Device: Kindle Touch	I own several Kindles including 2 with 3G. The one I am most concerned with is my DX which (in Amazon's infinite wisdom) does not include WiFi support. I have not received an email from Amazon (maybe because I purchased it at Staples?).

08-02-2021, 12:24 PM	#30
Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,161 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	The only issue with DX & DXG is the time / date setting which is either (eventually) from the Mobile Network, or otherwise you need to jailbreak and use a console command. It loses that if the battery is so low that the Kindle turns off. You don't need WiFi or Mobile to actually buy books and actually it's better to Download and transfer via PC as then you have a backup and can use the DX serial number (on your Amazon account if DX dies) to read all the books on the superior Kobo. Really the DX and DXG are heavy dinosaurs that only support old mobi and are too slow and too low resolution for scanned PDFs. The KK3 is better for actual ebooks, though takes ages to find the time & date via WiFi. Stupid design decisions and even back then Amazon put too little RAM in the DX & DXG and earlier.

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