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Old 05-21-2013, 01:37 PM   #946
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Subjektiv bin ich in der Stimmung hierfür; und wer behauptet, das sei objektiv nicht großartig, ist disqualifiziert:
Also ich will ja nicht behaupten, das wäre nicht großartig, aber ich fand gute 5 Minuten Intro dann doch ein wenig zu lang, und dann war plötzlich das Video zu ende...
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:40 PM   #947
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Nö, natürlich nicht. Ich versuche nur, Herrn Medards Behauptung, Musikqualität objektiv beurteilen zu können, zu Tode zu reiten.
Pardon, mein Kommentar klang humorlos, ohne so gemeint gewesen zu sein. Ich werde mir die Benutzung von Smileys wohl doch noch angewöhnen müssen ...
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Nö, natürlich nicht. Ich versuche nur, Herrn Medards Behauptung, Musikqualität objektiv beurteilen zu können, zu Tode zu reiten.
Wo findet sich denn diese Behauptung von mir?

Ich habe behauptet Musikqualität objektiv zu beurteilen? Wann, wo?
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:05 AM   #949
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Da man sich hier im deutschen Forum befindet, muss man das jetzt erstmal ausdiskutieren.

Natürlich hat Herr Medard micht behauptet, er könne Musik objektiv beurteilen. Man hat es nur in einem seiner Posts angedeutet gefunden. Aber man will hier ja eh nur spielen. Und jetzt Musik.

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Bruno Walter: Siegfied-Idyll



Die Wiener Philharmoniker unter der Leitung von Bruno Walter.

Richard Wagner komponierte das rund zwanzigminütige Orchesterwerk heimlich im Jahr 1870. Er schrieb das Werk für seine Frau Cosima zur Erinnerung an die Geburt ihres ersten Sohnes Siegfried, auch „Fidi“ genannt. Uraufgeführt wurde es im engsten Familienkreis am Weihnachtstag 1870, der zugleich Cosimas 33. Geburtstag war, durch Mitglieder des Zürcher Tonhalleorchesters. Die Uraufführung fand auf einer Treppe in Wagners Landhaus Tribschen bei Luzern statt, wobei die engen Platzverhältnisse eine Kammerbesetzung nötig machten. Da die Komposition als Geschenk für Cosima gedacht war, verweigerte sie lange die Veröffentlichung des Werkes. (Wikipedia)

Alles Gute zum 200. Geburtstag, Richard Wagner.
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Ich kann mich mit Wagner nicht "anfreunden", zu stark sind die Verknüpfungen zwischen seinen Nachkommen und Hitler.



Auch er selber gilt als einer der Wegbereiter des Antisemitismus, wie aus seiner Schrift Das Judenthum in der Musik deutlich wird.

Ich gehöre also nicht zu denen, die den 200. Geburtstag feiern wollen.

Zurück zu den Musikvideos.
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Die Wiener Philharmoniker unter der Leitung von Bruno Walter.

Richard Wagner komponierte das rund zwanzigminütige Orchesterwerk heimlich im Jahr 1870. Er schrieb das Werk für seine Frau Cosima zur Erinnerung an die Geburt ihres ersten Sohnes Siegfried, auch „Fidi“ genannt. Uraufgeführt wurde es im engsten Familienkreis am Weihnachtstag 1870, der zugleich Cosimas 33. Geburtstag war, durch Mitglieder des Zürcher Tonhalleorchesters. Die Uraufführung fand auf einer Treppe in Wagners Landhaus Tribschen bei Luzern statt, wobei die engen Platzverhältnisse eine Kammerbesetzung nötig machten. Da die Komposition als Geschenk für Cosima gedacht war, verweigerte sie lange die Veröffentlichung des Werkes. (Wikipedia)

Alles Gute zum 200. Geburtstag, Richard Wagner.

Das ist so schön!!

Der muß die Frau ja ganz fest lieb gehabt haben. Wenn er heimlich so schöne Musik für sie schreibt.

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Ich kann mich mit Wagner nicht "anfreunden", zu stark sind die Verknüpfungen zwischen seinen Nachkommen und Hitler.



Auch er selber gilt als einer der Wegbereiter des Antisemitismus, wie aus seiner Schrift Das Judenthum in der Musik deutlich wird.

Ich gehöre also nicht zu denen, die den 200. Geburtstag feiern wollen.

Zurück zu den Musikvideos.


Ich hasse Wagner, genau aus diesen Gründe. Darüber hinaus finde ich seine Musik unerträglich.
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Richard Strauss: Also sprach Zarathustra (Op. 30)



Das kann ich verstehen, Friedrich Nietzsche wurde ja auch nach dem Bruch mit Wagner nie müde die suggestive Kraft seiner Werke und Themen zu kritisieren.

Dennoch ist es natürlich so dass man sich mit Wagner beschäftigen sollte. Adolf Hitler wurde nicht von einem Musikkünstler oder seinen Nachkommen gewählt sondern vom ungebildeten Fussvolk.
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Ich hasse Wagner, genau aus diesen Gründe. Darüber hinaus finde ich seine Musik unerträglich.
Exakt. Wobei für mich die überwiegend furchtbare Musik im Vordergrund steht. Dass er auch Antisemit war, macht mir den Mann an sich nicht sympathischer, war aber andererseits damals nichts sooo außergewöhnliches.
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Dennoch ist es natürlich so dass man sich mit Wagner beschäftigen sollte. Adolf Hitler wurde nicht von einem Musikkünstler oder seinen Nachkommen gewählt sondern vom ungebildeten Fussvolk.
Mit ziemlich hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit wurde er nicht nur vom "ungebildeten Fußvolk" gewählt und nicht wenige Nazigrößen waren durchaus kulturinteressiert, besuchten Konzerte, spielten Instrumente usw.

Ich bin auch nicht gerade ein großer Wagner-Fan, aber ich finde dass diejenigen, die Künstler nur aus falsch verstandener "politischer Korrektheit" ablehnen, es sich zu einfach machen, denn wenn man sich Künstlerbiographien genauer ansieht, wird man fast immer Dinge finden, mit denen man nicht übereinstimmt.
Und das gilt nicht nur für Künstler. Die Zauberkünstler Penn & Teller hatten vor einigen Jahren in ihrer Serie "Bullshit" in der Folge "Holier Than Thou" Mahatma Gandhi, Mutter Theresa und den Dalai Lama genauer unter die Lupe genommen und festgestellt, dass sie auch nicht so perfekt waren bzw. sind.



Aber nun zurück zum Thema. Hier ist ein Musikvideo von Twin Shadow:

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