MobileRead Discussion/Suggestion Thread - Page 25

CRussel · 06-30-2017, 11:36 AM

The lead time right now for a selection is simply not enough to get it from many libraries, especially if it's a fairly current book (like this month's nominated Hidden Figures). So increasing the lead time would be a positive step. Because it's certainly true that some of us aren't willing to spend a lot of money on a book we don't particularly want to read.

I think a poll on what we're willing to spend would be useful. Not that all books would have to fit in that limit, but it would help all of us understand where it becomes an issue.

Along with that, I'd like to see us try to make the costs clear. I'd be personally willing to go do the basic research to post prices for North America (USD) and the UK (£) of the books that have been fully nominated if the nominator hasn't already done so.

We already post page numbers, and that helps immensely.

I do agree that all of us benefit from having books selected that will be discussed. Even those not involved in the discussion have a vested interest in there being a good discussion, I would think.

Another useful thing, at least for me, is to have the nominator actively involved in the "pre-discussion" -- motivating or justifying their choice and why it would make a good book for us to read and discuss.

Nyssa · 06-30-2017, 02:50 PM

Personally, I think discussions should start when the book has been chosen.
People should be allowed to participate when ready. There has been a time or two when I've actually read the book, but by the time the discussion comes around I've moved on.

I would also suggest using the vote thread as the discussion thread; that could help lessen the workload. We can ask participants to either hide spoilers or keep the discussion spoiler free until the 20th.

For lead time concerns we should vote a month ahead (i.e. vote for August's pick in the beginning of July).

So July 1st - Vote for August pick, start reading and open spoiler-free discussions for July's pick.

July 20th - Open and/or allow spoilers for more in-depth discussion. Start nomination process for September.

August 1st- Vote for September pick, etc. etc.

bfisher · 06-30-2017, 09:25 PM

Yes, it would be helpful if the book was chosen at least one month ahead, both for getting it and reading it.

Dazrin · 07-01-2017, 12:43 AM

I think to make that extra month useful we probably shouldn't start the discussion on the 1st; if we do it means there is only 10 days extra instead of 30ish.

It means that the fast readers will need to hold off a little more than they do currently. Not really different than now though.

Nyssa · 07-01-2017, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dazrin

It means that the fast readers will need to hold off a little more than they do currently. Not really different than now though.

No, it doesn't. They'll be able to get their thoughts out instead of waiting for the 20th. They'll be asked, however, to hide spoilers (which is done with the touch of a button) if posting before the 20th.

JSWolf · 07-01-2017, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyssa

No, it doesn't. They'll be able to get their thoughts out instead of waiting for the 20th. They'll be asked, however, to hide spoilers (which is done with the touch of a button) if posting before the 20th.

You don't have to hide spoilers in the discussion thread. This is why we have a separate discussion thread instead of using the existing voting thread.

Nyssa · 07-01-2017, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

You don't have to hide spoilers in the discussion thread. This is why we have a separate discussion thread instead of using the existing voting thread.

Please read what I said. Since we usually start discussions on the 20th, I am asking that we start them earlier for those who finish the book earlier, with the request that spoilers be hidden until the 20th.

Or we can keep doing what we are doing, and keep getting what we've gotten.
I thought the whole point of this thread was to make suggestions for improved participation in the discussions. My bad.

JSWolf · 07-01-2017, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyssa

Please read what I said. Since we usually start discussions on the 20th, I am asking that we start them earlier for those who finish the book earlier, with the request that spoilers be hidden until the 20th.

Or we can keep doing what we are doing, and keep getting what we've gotten.
I thought the whole point of this thread was to make suggestions for improved participation in the discussions. My bad.

Since the discussion would be in its own thread. Those that have not yet finished the book can just not read the thread until they have. It's that simple.

I do want to change things to give us more time to get the book and then more time to read the book. I just don't see the need for spoiler codes when the discussion thread can just be ignored until the book is finished.

And one more thing, I do think the discussion thread should be started once the vote is over so those that finish early can put down their thoughts while the thoughts are fresh.

CRussel · 07-02-2017, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyssa

Please read what I said. Since we usually start discussions on the 20th, I am asking that we start them earlier for those who finish the book earlier, with the request that spoilers be hidden until the 20th.

Or we can keep doing what we are doing, and keep getting what we've gotten.
I thought the whole point of this thread was to make suggestions for improved participation in the discussions. My bad.

As long as we keep the discussion in a separate thread, I think we're OK. I agree we need to start reading earlier, and that starting the discussion earlier would be good for those who've either read the book recently, or read fast.

JSWolf · 07-02-2017, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyssa

I would also suggest using the vote thread as the discussion thread; that could help lessen the workload. We can ask participants to either hide spoilers or keep the discussion spoiler free until the 20th.

I disagree. A separate thread is going to work better and there's also no need for a spoiler tag. And the discussion thread should be created after the vote is over.

issybird · 07-02-2017, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I disagree. A separate thread is going to work better and there's also no need for a spoiler tag. And the discussion thread should be created after the vote is over.

I agree with this. Spoiler tags get annoying and I don't really see the point. Stay out of the thread until you've read the book, or read enough of the book; perhaps the voting thread could function for those who might have a question and don't want to be spoiled?

A little courtesy and common sense should cover most situations; e.g., don't post "Rosebud is a sled" as the first post.

WT Sharpe · 07-02-2017, 02:59 PM

Are there any objections to creating the discussion thread immediately following the vote?

CRussel · 07-02-2017, 06:15 PM

None here. And it has the virtual of simplicity on your end.

JSWolf · 07-02-2017, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Are there any objections to creating the discussion thread immediately following the vote?

I have no objections and I don't think anyone else would either. It just means stay out of the thread if you don't want to be spoiled until you've either read enough or finished.#

So what do you think of the month ahead for the nominating/voting/reading?

issybird · 07-03-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Are there any objections to creating the discussion thread immediately following the vote?

I'm on board.

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06-30-2017, 11:36 AM	#361
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,162 Karma: 79742714 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), Fire HD 8	The lead time right now for a selection is simply not enough to get it from many libraries, especially if it's a fairly current book (like this month's nominated Hidden Figures). So increasing the lead time would be a positive step. Because it's certainly true that some of us aren't willing to spend a lot of money on a book we don't particularly want to read. I think a poll on what we're willing to spend would be useful. Not that all books would have to fit in that limit, but it would help all of us understand where it becomes an issue. Along with that, I'd like to see us try to make the costs clear. I'd be personally willing to go do the basic research to post prices for North America (USD) and the UK (£) of the books that have been fully nominated if the nominator hasn't already done so. We already post page numbers, and that helps immensely. I do agree that all of us benefit from having books selected that will be discussed. Even those not involved in the discussion have a vested interest in there being a good discussion, I would think. Another useful thing, at least for me, is to have the nominator actively involved in the "pre-discussion" -- motivating or justifying their choice and why it would make a good book for us to read and discuss.

06-30-2017, 02:50 PM	#362
Nyssa Series Addict Posts: 6,180 Karma: 167189477 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Florida, USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite (2nd Gen)	Personally, I think discussions should start when the book has been chosen. People should be allowed to participate when ready. There has been a time or two when I've actually read the book, but by the time the discussion comes around I've moved on. I would also suggest using the vote thread as the discussion thread; that could help lessen the workload. We can ask participants to either hide spoilers or keep the discussion spoiler free until the 20th. For lead time concerns we should vote a month ahead (i.e. vote for August's pick in the beginning of July). So July 1st - Vote for August pick, start reading and open spoiler-free discussions for July's pick. July 20th - Open and/or allow spoilers for more in-depth discussion. Start nomination process for September. August 1st- Vote for September pick, etc. etc.

06-30-2017, 09:25 PM	#363
bfisher Wizard Posts: 1,638 Karma: 28483498 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Ottawa Canada Device: Sony PRS-T3, Galaxy (Aldiko, Kobo app)	Yes, it would be helpful if the book was chosen at least one month ahead, both for getting it and reading it.

07-01-2017, 12:43 AM	#364
Dazrin Wizard Posts: 2,631 Karma: 73864785 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: PDXish Device: Kindle Voyage, various Android devices	I think to make that extra month useful we probably shouldn't start the discussion on the 1st; if we do it means there is only 10 days extra instead of 30ish. It means that the fast readers will need to hold off a little more than they do currently. Not really different than now though.

07-02-2017, 02:59 PM	#372
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,073 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	Are there any objections to creating the discussion thread immediately following the vote?

07-02-2017, 06:15 PM	#373
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,162 Karma: 79742714 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), Fire HD 8	None here. And it has the virtual of simplicity on your end.

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