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Old 01-15-2020, 10:54 AM   #1
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Milton, John: Paradise Lost (1674). v1. 15 Jan 2020

What it says in the thread title: This is the second, 1674 edition of Milton's Paradise Lost.

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Old 01-16-2020, 02:46 AM   #2
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Thank you very much, doubleshuffle.
It looks a lot better.
I was prompted to read it (ideally this should be done out loud, apparently), by this essay of Philip Pullman's in the Public Domain Review.
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I've never managed to get through Paradise Lost, though I've tried several times. That "English Heroic Verse" tends to go round and round in my head and make me dizzy after a few pages. I will try Pullman's method of reading it aloud.

Thank you SO much for pointing to Pullman's essay. It's brilliant. Some fascinating illustrations too. I only knew Blake's and Doré's. I see A Project coming up...
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I'm really grateful for this work, too! As I was taken by the devil of ambition, I tried (!) to translate to me the introduction in latin, and I immediately stumbled across the header: In paradisum amissam. Shouldn't it be "amissum", as paradisus is masculinum? Unluckily, the original is not at my disposition.
Sorry, it may appear impertinent, but I can't get rid of the thought!
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The "amissam" is correct, but please don't ask me why. There is next to nothing left of my Latin.

https://archive.org/details/Paradise...4CopyB/page/n1
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It may be a consolation that it confuses even the editors of the Latin Wikipedia:

https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disput...annes_Miltonus
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It took long to find a translation, but here is one:

https://www.bookscool.com/en/Paradise-Lost-603039/8
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Oh, thank you. doubleshuffle! It's quite amusing that such a detail question has already caused such a discussion. My dictionary is quite bad, so I had to count that "paradisus", despite of the -us ending, could be feminine. But it would have contradicted to my feel for the language.
Nevertheless, in the following text I found some constructions that seem somewhat dubious to me.
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I'm really grateful for this work, too! As I was taken by the devil of ambition, I tried (!) to translate to me the introduction in latin, and I immediately stumbled across the header: In paradisum amissam. Shouldn't it be "amissum", as paradisus is masculinum? Unluckily, the original is not at my disposition.
Sorry, it may appear impertinent, but I can't get rid of the thought!
My Latin has largely evaporated too, but some later editions "correct" this 1674 spelling to "in Paradisum Amissum" in both the title and the first line: try a Google search on that phrase. Perhaps it was originally simply a typo (twice)?

And although the Latin Wikipedia accepts that the word can also be feminine, all the translations of Paradise Lost into Latin treat it as masculine. It's worth bearing in mind that this Latin introduction was new in the 1674 edition. And 1674 was the year Milton died: he had been blind for twenty years before that. Although his own knowledge of Latin was excellent, he probably wasn't all that concerned about it when this short Latin poem appeared in the new edition.

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..... to Pullman's essay. It's brilliant. Some fascinating illustrations too. I only knew Blake's and Doré's. I see A Project coming up...
Oh yes please, please!

The Tate Gallery in London has a special exhibition of Blake's work at the moment, ending 2nd February, which includes his twelve illustrations for Paradise Lost.

But John Martin's marvellous illustrations must have a claim too: they too have been the subject of a short essay - with all the engravings attached - in the Public Domain Review.
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What a pity that I won't make it to London in the next two weeks...

And yes, I was mainly thinking of using the John Martin illustrations. But of course Blake shouldn't be neglected, nor Dore. Perhaps the way to go would be separate ebooks for each set of illustrations, one for every taste...
The illustrations from the first ill. edition 1688 are also impressive in their way.
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