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07-07-2011, 11:36 AM | #122 |
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And that's exactly my point.
The fact is, you don't "pay for it." You pay toward it. The tax money you pay isn't enough, but because you pay something, you feel as if you're paying for it all. If libraries received no government money, people might feel more inclined to donate. BearMountainBooks: We get the old bait-and-switch all the time here in California. I remember a proposition on the ballot to give several hundred millions of dollars to repair our deteriorating schools. The voters went for it, and the school district immediately began that $500 million dollar construction project for a whizbang new school on top of a field that leaked methane gas. When the school district did that, it effectively killed all school funding propositions for 10 years. The people didn't trust them anymore. |
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07-07-2011, 11:49 AM | #123 |
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Then there is a budget problem and taxes need to be raised to cover the services offered.
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07-07-2011, 11:57 AM | #124 | |
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07-07-2011, 12:02 PM | #125 |
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I know, I know. I continue to vote for more money for libraries and schools and my friggin' neighbors keep voting them down!
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07-07-2011, 12:20 PM | #126 | |
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I don't think adding another layer of complexity to the system (taxes + donations + NEW arbitrary fees based on some content types, but not others) is the best solution to the funding problem. |
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07-07-2011, 12:26 PM | #127 | |
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If they call it a library tax, that money should go to the library, not 12 other pet projects. The tax is higher here because it is tacked onto the water bill than I was paying to join when I wasn't part of the "taxed community." Far higher. It's a game politicians have gotten away with for too long. |
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07-07-2011, 12:27 PM | #128 |
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Which means libraries will go underfunded, because tax increases aren't going to happen.
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Voting to agree to that fee--or any other--without verbage that REQUIRES the money be spent there is a farce. New Mexico voted in a lottery--in order to give schools more money. Guess what? The politician says that the lottery funds schools--excellent! All the money that used to fund schools? Goes elsewhere. The net? Slightly less to about the same for schools each year. NO additional money was raised. They just moved the pea in the shell game. There was no constitutional requirement--or part of the law that required them to keep funding the same or higher. It just meant that lottery money could be spent on schools and all the rest usually allocated there got to be frittered away. |
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07-07-2011, 12:47 PM | #131 | |
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If you raise taxes to "support libraries" and then next year, the libraries are still struggling, people are going to ask questions. I mean, they just had their taxes raised, they can guesstimate the total extra money that went in and they can demand to know why X amount extra didn't do any good. And then it comes out that, oops, that money "for libraries" didn't GO to libraries, and then changes can be demanded. If you institute some arbitrary fee for Y content and the library is still struggling next year, what does that mean? Well, it may mean that money got taken from the previous library funds, or it may mean that people stopped renting that Y content type. It's harder to trace, harder to track, and less likely to get people in an uproar than, say, RAISING TAXES FOR SOMETHING THAT THEN DIDN'T GET FUNDED. Extra complexity = less transparency. |
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07-07-2011, 02:02 PM | #133 |
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Never. Libraries should only charge if an item is overdue, lost, or damaged beyond repair. Libraries have made music and movies available in multiple formats before, including audiobooks on CD. Why would they start wanting to charge for ebooks now? It's all progress of technology enabling people different ways of enjoying a work of art and entertainment.
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