How to access all identifier when writing mobi files?

siebert · 07-06-2011, 05:59 PM

Hi,

when I fetch metadata from amazon in calibre, the asin will be stored as identifier "AMAZON" in metadata.opf and is shown in the gui.

But this identifier isn't available in oeb.metadata['identifier'] in _build_exth() of src\calibre\ebooks\mobi\writer.py if I convert an epub file to mobi (I assume that the oeb.metadata is build from the content of the epub instead of the data in metadata.opf).

Is there any way to access the asin at this location?

Ciao,
Steffen

kovidgoyal · 07-06-2011, 07:32 PM

oeb.metadata contains the merged metadata from the database and the input document when you convert in the GUI.

chaley · 07-07-2011, 04:14 PM

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This thread is not about development

siebert · 07-07-2011, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaley

This thread is not about development

Sorry, this thread was of course meant to be started in the
Development subforum.

Could you be so kind to move it to the proper location?

Ciao,
Steffen

siebert · 07-07-2011, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

oeb.metadata contains the merged metadata from the database and the input document when you convert in the GUI.

Ok, the merge seem to happen in

Code:

calibre.ebooks.oeb.transforms.metadata.MergeMetadata

right? But I see only code which adds the uuid identifier to oeb.metadata, all other identifiers are ignored. Is there a reason that not all metadata is added to the result, as "merge" would suggest?

I've also noticed that the original epub which was added to calibre and then converted to mobi already contains an uuid entry in the opf file, but calibre ignores it and creates a new one which is used in the asin entry of the mobi file and stored in the metadata.opf file.

Is this a bug or creates calibre the new uuid on purpose?

Ciao,
Steffen

kovidgoyal · 07-07-2011, 06:45 PM

The remaining identifiers are not merged because that code was written before they existed.

The MOBI output does not use the uuid as the uuid may not always exist. If you are planning to use the asin in the mobi header, I would urge against it as weird things are likely to happen if the MOBI file you use is different from the MOBI file associated with that ASIN on amazon's servers.

siebert · 07-07-2011, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

The MOBI output does not use the uuid as the uuid may not always exist.

But the mobi writer already looks for an existing uuid in the metadata and generates a new one only if there is no one in the metadata.

The question is, why is the epub uuid not available in the metadata? To me it looks like there is an uuid in the metadata (as it is also stored in the metadata.opf file) but one that calibre created instead of the one defined in the source epub.

Quote:

If you are planning to use the asin in the mobi header, I would urge against it as weird things are likely to happen if the MOBI file you use is different from the MOBI file associated with that ASIN on amazon's servers.

Could you elaborate on that? Currently I use mobi2mobi to replace the uuid with a valid ASIN or ISBN10 value to get the proper cover displayed in the Android/iOS Kindle app and I haven't noticed yet any issue, so what are the weird things you mention?

Ciao,
Steffen

kovidgoyal · 07-07-2011, 07:11 PM

It's a sync service that relies on syncing by binary position in the MOBI file. If you have two different MOBI files that have the same ASIN then the positions are no longer valid.

theducks · 07-07-2011, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siebert

Sorry, this thread was of course meant to be started in the
Development subforum.

Could you be so kind to move it to the proper location?

Ciao,
Steffen

This appears to be a Q&A which does not belong in the Developers sub.

Are you developing a plugin for Calibre related to this thread? The thread can be moved back if it meets the groups rules.

siebert · 07-08-2011, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

It's a sync service that relies on syncing by binary position in the MOBI file. If you have two different MOBI files that have the same ASIN then the positions are no longer valid.

I'm aware of the syncing, in fact it's the feature I'm interesed in (together with the proper cover image).

But the ASIN value is rather unique, Amazon even has different ASINs for different editions (kindle, paperback, hardcover etc.) of the same book.

So I don't understand how someone should end up with different MOBI files which have the same ASIN value?

Ciao,
Steffen

siebert · 07-08-2011, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

This appears to be a Q&A which does not belong in the Developers sub.

Which forum do you think would be more appropriate?

Quote:

Are you developing a plugin for Calibre related to this thread? The thread can be moved back if it meets the groups rules.

I'm trying to get the necessary info which helps me to patch/improve calibre. And I'm still hoping to convince Kovid to include the patch when it's done

Ciao,
Steffen

kovidgoyal · 07-08-2011, 02:49 PM

When you are dealing with a closed and opaque system like Amazon, it's best not to make assumptions about how "unique" something is and what the ramifications of a collision would be. So no, I am not going to accept a patch that uses the asin instead of a uuid.

theducks · 07-08-2011, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siebert

Which forum do you think would be more appropriate?

I'm trying to get the necessary info which helps me to patch/improve calibre. And I'm still hoping to convince Kovid to include the patch when it's done

Ciao,
Steffen

Another Mod moved your post out of Developers because it was not clear what the goal of the questions were

.
"Trying to convincing Kovid to include..." your proposed patch makes it clear it is now Development related.

This location is best if you also want 'regular user' feedback on your proposal.
Your choice: here or there. just ask an I can move the thread

chaley · 07-08-2011, 03:46 PM

I moved it out because the first post didn't read as development related. It appeared to be yet another in a stream of posts asking for new features. Later posts are more development related, so I won't get snippy if this thread gets moved back.

siebert · 07-08-2011, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaley

I moved it out because the first post didn't read as development related. It appeared to be yet another in a stream of posts asking for new features. Later posts are more development related, so I won't get snippy if this thread gets moved back.

Oh, so I did create the thread in development as I intended!

But I really can't understand how you can mistake my initial post containing questions about calibre source code like

Quote:

But this identifier isn't available in oeb.metadata['identifier'] in _build_exth() of src\calibre\ebooks\mobi\writer.py

as not related to development

Ciao,
Steffen

07-06-2011, 05:59 PM	#1
siebert Developer Posts: 155 Karma: 280 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 3 (Keyboard) 3G / iPad 9 WiFi / Google Pixel 6a (Android)	How to access all identifier when writing mobi files? Hi, when I fetch metadata from amazon in calibre, the asin will be stored as identifier "AMAZON" in metadata.opf and is shown in the gui. But this identifier isn't available in oeb.metadata['identifier'] in _build_exth() of src\calibre\ebooks\mobi\writer.py if I convert an epub file to mobi (I assume that the oeb.metadata is build from the content of the epub instead of the data in metadata.opf). Is there any way to access the asin at this location? Ciao, Steffen

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07-06-2011, 07:32 PM	#2
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,863 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	oeb.metadata contains the merged metadata from the database and the input document when you convert in the GUI.

07-07-2011, 04:14 PM	#3
chaley Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,742 Karma: 6997045 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Notts, England Device: Kobo Libra 2	Moderator Notice This thread is not about development

07-07-2011, 06:45 PM	#6
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,863 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	The remaining identifiers are not merged because that code was written before they existed. The MOBI output does not use the uuid as the uuid may not always exist. If you are planning to use the asin in the mobi header, I would urge against it as weird things are likely to happen if the MOBI file you use is different from the MOBI file associated with that ASIN on amazon's servers.

07-07-2011, 07:11 PM	#8
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,863 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	It's a sync service that relies on syncing by binary position in the MOBI file. If you have two different MOBI files that have the same ASIN then the positions are no longer valid.

07-08-2011, 02:49 PM	#12
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,863 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	When you are dealing with a closed and opaque system like Amazon, it's best not to make assumptions about how "unique" something is and what the ramifications of a collision would be. So no, I am not going to accept a patch that uses the asin instead of a uuid.

07-08-2011, 03:46 PM	#14
chaley Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,742 Karma: 6997045 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Notts, England Device: Kobo Libra 2	I moved it out because the first post didn't read as development related. It appeared to be yet another in a stream of posts asking for new features. Later posts are more development related, so I won't get snippy if this thread gets moved back.

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