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Who takes e-books for free, actually work for a living? | 10 | 45.45% | |
Who works for a living believe they deserve every penny of what they get? | 8 | 36.36% | |
Would you work for free if you won't be paid? | 9 | 40.91% | |
Should strangers dictate author's wages? | 13 | 59.09% | |
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12-11-2007, 03:52 PM | #16 |
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Hum Steve, isn't your answer more legal-oriented than dealing with morality as in how the question has been asked ?
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12-11-2007, 03:56 PM | #17 | |
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Morally, there's nothing wrong with what nekokami did. Mr Brust is lucky to have the support of friends like that |
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12-11-2007, 04:00 PM | #18 |
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When I was in college, one of my professors constructed tests with questions that most of the students misinterpreted. My solution was to rewrite the question as I thought he meant to ask it and answer that question instead. So using that method for the poll questions:
1a. Do you agree that it is OK to take eBooks without paying for them? (My answer: no) 1b. If you agree with 1a, do you work for a living? (My answer: doesn't apply to me) 2a. Do you work for a living? (My answer: yes) 2b. If you do work for a living, do you agree that your work is worth what you are paid for it? (My answer: yes) 3. Would you work for free if you were not going to be paid? (My answer: It depends on the nature of the work -- I volunteer at church and am not paid for that. I invest a lot of time and money in a private school started by my family and am not monetarily compensated for that work. I do work at a computer company where I am paid, and if they didn't pay me, I would have to work somewhere else where I would be paid. I have to have some income to pay the bills.) 4. Should an author be able to withhold his work if he doesn't like the price he is being paid? (My answer: yes) In my opinion, it is not right to reproduce and distribute copyrighted works without the copyright holder's (or their legal representatives') permission, except for "fair use". I disagree with DCMA and similar laws that attempt to narrow "fair use" to exclude format transformations. I also disagree with the extension of copyright protections beyond a few decades. I acknowledge that it may be "moral", in my view, to violate laws that I don't agree with, but I must accept the consequences of my actions under those "immoral" laws. (That is my definition of "civil disobedience"). |
12-11-2007, 04:20 PM | #19 |
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Gold star for kkingdon.
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12-11-2007, 04:29 PM | #20 | |
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However, she is morally... not good... for taking files that may be illegally obtained. Here, there's a question... since Neko apparently doesn't know whether the e-book files are, in fact, legal or not. If she found out that they were not legal (i.e., given to her without proper authorization), she should delete them. (This is one of those "buying a stolen car" problems: You are not wrong to buy a car you do not know is stolen, but you are wrong if you find out it was stolen and do not report it to the authorities and turn in the car. Even though you will likely lose your money, making it a lose-lose situation. That's why it's always safer to buy from a reputable dealer... but anyway.) |
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12-11-2007, 04:49 PM | #21 |
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Speaking to the technical detail of the poll, and setting the actual questions aside for a moment, the complication I see here is that the individual answers won't mean anything individually, only as they relate to the answers to the other questions -- kkingdon touched on this already, but I'll play the pedant for a moment.
For example, if I'm interpreting the choices correctly, we're not interested only in if a person takes books (that aren't freely offered by those with rights to do so) without paying for them, nor are we only interested in whether a person works for a living, but rather how those two points intersect. That sort of intersection is really tough to set up in an informal poll like this though. |
12-11-2007, 06:03 PM | #22 | |
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12-11-2007, 06:26 PM | #23 |
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Meh! Nonsensical poll. Please reformat into English!
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12-11-2007, 08:54 PM | #24 |
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So Jon, do you walk or take a lunch?
(It makes as much sense as the poll questions.) |
12-11-2007, 10:48 PM | #25 |
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Most authors have a very rough time of it and make very little income for a lot of hard work. I see no justifiable moral reason for taking their work without paying for it, most get little enough as it is.
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12-12-2007, 12:47 AM | #26 |
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I had an extended email conversation with Steve Brust's last P.A. a while back on the issue of ebooks. Brust doesn't know who has the rights. His P.A. thinks he holds the digital rights to his work, but she's not sure. His agent is slow to respond to questions like this, and much as I love Brust's writing style, I think the fact that he's over $100k in hock to the IRS attests to his organizational skills (or lack thereof). It would appear that he's operating under a "don't ask, don't tell" policy with regard to ebooks at the moment. He is aware that there are people who have scanned/swapped copies of his books. He is also aware that when he recently asked for a spot of legal/financial advice (and nothing more than advice), his enthusiastic fans set up a legal defense fund effort for him and money started pouring in, often with notes attached saying things like "I could only afford to buy your books used before, so now I'm paying you back" or "I have ebooks, which I couldn't pay you for, because there are no ebooks available legally, so I wanted to do my part to support you." Examples here: http://skzbrust.livejournal.com/68156.html
I make my living generating IP (mostly code, some writing of various sorts, one published non-fiction book so far). If I had to choose between a strictly legal business relationship with my readers and the kind of support Brust is getting in his hour of need, I know which one I'd pick. And I suspect I know which one he'd pick, as well. Argue the legalities all you like. I feel good about being part of an author support effort that's doing more direct good than the pittance he'd probably get from legal ebook sales anyway. The CafePress shop has generated just over $100 in profit over the past three weeks, completely leaving aside the straight donations he's received. How much would he have gotten in ebook royalties this year? Plus, every shirt, mug, button, etc. has a copyright attribution letting everyone who sees it know where to find more of the same-- i.e. more books by Brust. All I'm saying is that it's easy to forget that there are real human beings at both ends of this "legal transaction." I think the system works best when we all try to remember that, rather than demonizing faceless tight-fisted content monopolists or evil piratical thieves. |
12-12-2007, 07:24 AM | #27 | |
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12-12-2007, 07:47 AM | #28 |
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12-12-2007, 09:43 AM | #29 | |
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I am not questioning whether your charity is deserved or misplaced, Neko. I am simply endorsing the idea that people shouldn't get ripped off by others. (It seems like about the only thing I've been saying for the past week!) Hopefully Brust's lack of info on his e-book rights isn't causing him to be ripped off. Hopefully whoever does have the rights isn't being ripped off. Remember, if it turns out that his publisher has the rights, and that publisher finds out that Brust's books are being illegally disseminated as e-books (by Brust or anyone else), that could be considered a reason to cancel his publishing contract... which would really be ripping Brust off. |
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