03-23-2011, 08:19 AM | #1 |
Enthusiast
Posts: 46
Karma: 700010
Join Date: May 2007
Location: PA
Device: Nook Classic, Iphone 4
|
drm and library book
I posted about not being able to open a book that I'd checked out via the library. I've had the book checked out for 4-5 days now and was unable to open it (no record for this loan if found on this machine, blah..blah). I'm waiting for the library to get back to me on this.
Just for the heck of it last night I tried stripping the drm and voila! the book opened in ADE. Now what happens when I want to return it? Will it be returned stripped? I only need a few more days to finish it if that. I have no need to keep it past the due date or keep a copy (why I don't have an issue with stripping drm on a book on loan but have an issue keeping it past the due date I don't know, doesn't make much sense, I've already done the deed). I never reread books and none of my friends even have nooks/ereaders. I was so shocked that it opened, I really didn't think past that step. (I've never stripped drm before and actually hadn't much of an idea what I was doing hence the shock when it worked and the book opened.) |
03-23-2011, 08:30 AM | #2 |
Wizard
Posts: 3,025
Karma: 11196738
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Piper College
Device: Samsung A21
|
I believe that if you return the book that you stripped it will be sort of putting yourself on report that you stripped the book of the DRM. My recommendation is to take the file that you got initally from the library and return that and do not tell them that you stripped the DRM from the book. Quietly file the stripped book away and don't tell anyone that you did that, however I would recommend that any and all books that you borrow from the library you automatically stripp the DRM from all books and return the non-stripped file when the time comes. The library has already demonstrated to your satisfaction that they are not capable of providing functioning books and you need to stripp the books to cope with their inability to do their jobs.
|
Advert | |
|
03-23-2011, 08:41 AM | #3 |
Zealot
Posts: 123
Karma: 9550
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Tennessee, USA
Device: Kindle Touch, HTC Thunderbolt
|
I doubt that the file itself--stripped or otherwise--actually gets returned to the library. Pretty sure that if you just let the loan period run out, the lending database updates itself with the info that you're no longer allowed access to the (DRM'd copy of the) book, and if you manually return it early, some bytes of data head over to the lending database to tell it the same.
|
03-23-2011, 08:54 AM | #4 |
Guru
Posts: 973
Karma: 4269175
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Europe
Device: Pocketbook Basic 613
|
There is no return as such. Your lending period expires, and you're supposed to not be able to read the file any longer, but that's it. You don't have to do anything, it will become available automatically to the next on the list once your time is up.
|
03-23-2011, 09:38 AM | #5 | |
Banned
Posts: 1,687
Karma: 4368191
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oregon
Device: Kindle3
|
Quote:
I've seen massive content usage and payments flowing continuously. All with no copyright protections. |
|
Advert | |
|
03-23-2011, 09:53 AM | #6 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,105
Karma: 1025784
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: WiFi Kindle3
|
Every book I have borrowed still shows up in my ADE Library. Some show " x days left" and most now show "expired". I guess it is up to me to clean up the expired ones. But no ebooks are actually returned in any fashion - they are merely tagged as "expired."
Oh, ENJOY the rest of the book. |
03-23-2011, 09:58 AM | #7 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,516
Karma: 2567610
Join Date: Oct 2009
Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD
|
Even after the get tagged as "Expired" or if you manually returned them using Adobe Digital Editions, it will leave that file in your Adobe Digital Editions folder on your computer, even if it isn't showing up in ADE software anymore - if you look on your computer the file is still in that folder. I go in and clear that folder out occasionally. Those are the original DRMd files.
If you used Calibre to handle the liberation - you'll need delete from there as well as from any devices you put the book on once you are finished reading. |
03-23-2011, 07:12 PM | #8 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,105
Karma: 1025784
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: WiFi Kindle3
|
When this library expiration topic first came up my curiousity got the best of me. I went to the ade library and dragged one of the EXPIRED books into Calibre. With the appropriate plugin, it was still able to remove the drm from the expired book. So the book itself is not changed in anyway as it "expires." The reader finds some "key" in the book or the reader keeps its own "table" and then expires the book.
|
03-23-2011, 07:36 PM | #9 |
Wizard
Posts: 2,745
Karma: 83407757
Join Date: Mar 2011
Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Lenovo Duet Chromebook, Moto e
|
Well, I am about to finish my first library eBook, the excellent Pub Walks in Underhill Country, so I'll see how my library works. I use ADE, too.
I have checked out eAudiobooks from the library on my iPod many times. I just delete them when I'm done. It is probably the same with eBooks. It isn't a file that is returned to the library, it is just your right to read/listen that expires (as best I can tell, I'm not an expert). Anyway, 71 more pages for me and I'll deletethe eBook, like I have the eAudiobooks. |
03-23-2011, 09:23 PM | #10 |
Wizard
Posts: 1,601
Karma: 9211856
Join Date: Jan 2010
Device: kindle Oasis 2018, kindle 4 NT, kindle PW2, iPhone, iPad mini
|
OMG, I just checked, I have 302 library books I checked out just sitting there, some of them I didn't finish when I checked them out, what to do what to do????
unlike liberating books I paid for, I think it is probably unethical to liberate them. But...my test shows that it works. |
03-23-2011, 09:24 PM | #11 |
doofus
Posts: 2,522
Karma: 13088847
Join Date: Sep 2010
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage
|
Mobipocket books cannot be returned. ADE epubs and PDFs can be returned. In the library view, click on the little arrow on the book's icon then select return. If you don't return the book, it expires at the end of the loan period and you cannot open it in ADE any more. All this happens outside of the file. It's not sent back. ADE just tells the server the patron doesn't want the book any more.
|
03-23-2011, 09:57 PM | #12 |
Enthusiast
Posts: 46
Karma: 700010
Join Date: May 2007
Location: PA
Device: Nook Classic, Iphone 4
|
Wow...thanks for all the responses. Just to be on the safe side I moved the stripped copies (I think it actually stripped all the books in the directory) from to another folder and redownloaded from the library into ADE.
If I understand correctly, as long as I don't reconnect my nook to ade the books should stay on the nook even after they expire? |
03-24-2011, 03:17 AM | #13 | |
Guru
Posts: 973
Karma: 4269175
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Europe
Device: Pocketbook Basic 613
|
it will depend on your library and their settings. That said, even in this case it's just an instant expiration of your reading rights. No actual files are "returned", is the poin't I'm trying to make.
Quote:
|
|
03-24-2011, 11:09 AM | #14 | |
Wizard
Posts: 2,549
Karma: 3799999
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: O'Fallon, Missouri, USA
Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3
|
Quote:
|
|
06-28-2011, 01:21 PM | #15 |
Junior Member
Posts: 3
Karma: 10
Join Date: Jun 2011
Device: kindle 3, won it now love it
|
if the DRM is removed, is the lending period still in effect or will the book be available past the 14 or 21 day limit?
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
DRM vs NON-DRM Books in my library | geeksquadofun | Library Management | 7 | 02-15-2011 03:02 PM |
PRS-650 Overdrive/Library/DRM problem | AlexBell | Sony Reader | 4 | 01-02-2011 02:27 AM |
How to move public library book from ADE to Sony Library? | mom2three | Sony Reader | 3 | 06-30-2010 05:26 AM |
Non-DRM ebooks as library bequest? | Ken Maltby | General Discussions | 8 | 03-04-2010 12:53 PM |