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Old 12-01-2020, 10:58 AM   #46
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Looks pretty good. Any chance of your posing such an eBook so I can try it on my H2O?
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Looks pretty good. Any chance of your posing such an eBook so I can try it on my H2O?
Yes, but I need some time: as I said I dropped the project before release it, so I have some "frankenstein" EPUB3 and I have to clean one to share
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Yes, but I need some time: as I said I dropped the project before release it, so I have some "frankenstein" EPUB3 and I have to clean one to share
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http://venerandi.com/poesielettronicheSlim.kepub.epub

It is a dirty EPUB3. The "censored" lyrics are not working (in real ebook you can read the hidden part touching it), the #due poetry works (some text changes while you read), and the visual poetry is working only for animation, not interaction.

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Old 12-20-2020, 01:13 PM   #50
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http://venerandi.com/poesielettronicheSlim.kepub.epub

It is a dirty EPUB3. The "censored" lyrics are not working (in real ebook you can read the hidden part touching it), the #due poetry works (some text changes while you read), and the visual poetry is working only for animation, not interaction.
I finally got around to trying your ePub with video and the video works on my Kobo Aura H2O. Thank you for the ePub.
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I finally got around to trying your ePub with video and the video works on my Kobo Aura H2O. Thank you for the ePub.
My pleasure. But it is not a video, it is an animation
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I am pretty sure that Amazon prohibits videos in Kindle format, at least on KDP.

(I didn't know Amazon didn't support epub3! Thank you, David.)
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I am pretty sure that Amazon prohibits videos in Kindle format, at least on KDP.
Yes, in ePUB, MOBI, Word, and zipped HTML formats, it's not allowed. It is allowed in .kpf, the Kindle Create format for fixed-layout.

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??? They do, as it happens. But that doesn't mean that they support ALL possible functions or animations, etc., under ePUB3. Just like ePUB2; they didn't support all the CSS therefor, either.

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Yes, in ePUB, MOBI, Word, and zipped HTML formats, it's not allowed. It is allowed in .kpf, the Kindle Create format for fixed-layout.
Weird... where in KDP guidelines is this written?

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??? They do, as it happens. But that doesn't mean that they support ALL possible functions or animations, etc., under ePUB3. Just like ePUB2; they didn't support all the CSS therefor, either.

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To be precise amazon does not support EPUB3, but supports a subset of HTML5 and CSS3 (a very little subset). No scripting at all, for example.


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Weird... where in KDP guidelines is this written?
It's not. But if you try to upload any of the listed items, with video, Amazon very efficiently simply removes the video or audio elements. Period. And if you ask them, via phone or emaiIn other words, they don't want the brain-damage of having to try to provide tech support for every Tom, Dick and Harriet that is uploading a Word file, trying to create...whatever. I don't blame them one iota.

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To be precise amazon does not support EPUB3, but supports a subset of HTML5 and CSS3 (a very little subset). No scripting at all, for example.


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As I said, they do not support ALL the varied options available under ePUB3. That doesn't mean that they don't support some aspects of ePUB3. If we're going to say that if they don't support every last bit of it, it's unsupported, fine, then they don't, but they never supported everything that could be done under ePUB2.0 either. Nonetheless, you can submit ePUB3 files with a nav (see 5.2.1 Creating Logical TOC Using a toc nav Element, in the Kindle Publishing Guidelines).

Moreover, at least 4-5x in the KPG, they link to the ePUB3.0 Recommended Specifications (IDPF 3.0 Specification). (And for accessibility guidelines, too, BTW, for ePUB3)

So...given that they repeatedly refer prospective publishers to the IDPF ePUB 3.0 spec, I don't believe that you can argue that they "don't support" ePUB 3.0. Again, if to say that it's supported, they'd have to allow every single aspect under 3.0...no, I don't think that will EVER happen.

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Weird... where in KDP guidelines is this written?
The closest thing seems to be in the KDP page on Creating Kindle Editions with Audio/Video Content which states "KDP doesn't currently accept Kindle Edition with Audio/Video content."

In contrast the KDP page Prepare Print Replica Books with Kindle Create has instructions for adding audio and video with no KDP restrictions.
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It's not. But if you try to upload any of the listed items, with video, Amazon very efficiently simply removes the video or audio elements. Period. And if you ask them, via phone or emaiIn other words, they don't want the brain-damage of having to try to provide tech support for every Tom, Dick and Harriet that is uploading a Word file, trying to create...whatever. I don't blame them one iota.
I explained myself wrong: I know kindle doesn't support video in kf8, but I didn't know he supported it in kpf.


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As I said, they do not support ALL the varied options available under ePUB3. That doesn't mean that they don't support some aspects of ePUB3. If we're going to say that if they don't support every last bit of it, it's unsupported, fine, then they don't, but they never supported everything that could be done under ePUB2.0 either. Nonetheless, you can submit ePUB3 files with a nav (see 5.2.1 Creating Logical TOC Using a toc nav Element, in the Kindle Publishing Guidelines).

Moreover, at least 4-5x in the KPG, they link to the ePUB3.0 Recommended Specifications (IDPF 3.0 Specification). (And for accessibility guidelines, too, BTW, for ePUB3)

So...given that they repeatedly refer prospective publishers to the IDPF ePUB 3.0 spec, I don't believe that you can argue that they "don't support" ePUB 3.0. Again, if to say that it's supported, they'd have to allow every single aspect under 3.0...no, I don't think that will EVER happen.

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Sure, you can send an EPUB3 file, but it seems to me inaccurate say that Amazon "support" EPUB3: kindle supports some of the standards EPUB3 also uses. HTML5, CSS3 or ncx, for example, are not "EPUB3" format, but standards used in EPUB3 too.
I think there are more EPUB3 specifications that Amazon kf8 does not support than the ones it support (javascript, video & audio, media overlay...).
but I understand your point of view, it is about shades of meaning.
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I explained myself wrong: I know kindle doesn't support video in kf8, but I didn't know he supported it in kpf.
Indeed; there are instructions--for lack of a better word to describe them--about how to insert media in the KC (Kindle Create) User's Guide. But what you gain with the media, you more than lose with the format (fixed-layout). You cannot do embedded media with a reflowable KC-generated file.


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Sure, you can send an EPUB3 file, but it seems to me inaccurate say that Amazon "support" EPUB3: kindle supports some of the standards EPUB3 also uses. HTML5, CSS3 or ncx, for example, are not "EPUB3" format, but standards used in EPUB3 too.
I think there are more EPUB3 specifications that Amazon kf8 does not support than the ones it support (javascript, video & audio, media overlay...).
but I understand your point of view, it is about shades of meaning.
It is shades of meaning. Yes, KF8 doesn't support the multimedia circus. Or JS, and that's probably more about providing tech support than actual incapability, is my guess. I can say without any hesitation that after 11 years of dealing with KDP-self-publishing-authors, the idea of trying to provide tech support, around embedding media or, gods forbid, scripting....makes me want to run screaming into the night. Or day. Or anyplace, screaming.

Nonetheless, KDP does send people to the IDPF standards, for ePUB3.0. Not the old 2.0; not elsewhere. They do also reference W3 schools for HTML and CSS, yes. (I completely understand why they do that, too.) I mean, the kids gotta start somewhere, if they're not going to do Word or KC.

So...yes, it's degrees or shades.

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