06-23-2014, 01:03 PM | #31 | |
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Authors; yes. I may even choose to not spend my money on books by those authors any more. But if I had books of theirs that I decided to be rid of, I'd have no problem passing them along for others to read and make their own decisions about. |
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06-23-2014, 07:37 PM | #32 | |
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I'm still a bit puzzled on how behaviour is rated, or found reprehensible, and unlike DiapDealer I have had 'a moral problem with a book.' Some years ago I had collected all the 'Belisarius' series from Baen Books, and had enjoyed them. But the in the last one I read (as I remember) the two protagonists had deliberately destroyed a town with all its inhabitants because some people from the town had killed messengers sent by the protagonists. That to me was just as vile (though in a different way) as anything MZB did. So I deleted all the books from my reader and library, and have never bought anything from those authors again. I don't think I've bought anything from Baen again either, though that's probably going too far. |
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06-23-2014, 08:07 PM | #33 | |
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It would take a lot to do that though. There are many books that feature things I find morally reprehensible that I really enjoy, it is the encouragement or promotion of those things that I have an issue with. If someone wrote a (serious) book on the joys of cannibalism, I would have a problem with it. If a book has contains information about or characters that are cannibals in it but does not actively encourage the reader to participate in cannibalism, I wouldn't have a problem with it. |
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06-23-2014, 08:38 PM | #34 | |
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06-24-2014, 09:05 AM | #36 |
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06-24-2014, 06:02 PM | #37 | |
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Yeah, I don't think there is too much about a woman that raped her own daughter, repeatedly, until she was 12 that is acceptable. Beyond that, feel free to make your own call. |
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07-07-2014, 12:21 PM | #38 | |
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Edit: Apologies to mods if this comment belongs in the politics and religion section. Feel free to remove it. But please, remove the post I quoted as well. Last edited by pdurrant; 07-07-2014 at 02:33 PM. |
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07-07-2014, 02:22 PM | #39 | |
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Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom". Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV' and he answered: 'Of course not,' " but "she couldn't be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before." (source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...assange-sweden ) So, what Assange is accused of is not sexual intercourse without a rubber - rather, it is sexual intercourse with a sleeping woman, without a rubber, with him being fully aware that this is without her consent. But, she did have consensual sex with him previous to that. This is not what he is being accused of, but it did happen. With extreme cynicism, one of Assanges lawyers informed the public that »The consent of both women to sex with Assange has been confirmed by prosecutors,«. In itself, this is quite true - but the lawyer fails to mention that that what his client has been accused of isn't the consensual sex, but the rape that took place afterwards. Another of Assanges lawyers, Mark Stephen, claimed that »Assange is wanted not for allegations of rape, as previously reported, but for something called ‘sex by surprise.’« And what does that mean, exactly? It turns out that this is a translation of the Swedish s överraskningssex, which is slang for ... rape! Last edited by pdurrant; 07-07-2014 at 02:33 PM. |
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07-07-2014, 02:36 PM | #40 | |
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I do recommend that posters should consider that British libel laws might apply to posts made on MobileRead, since any on-line comments may be considered to have been published in the UK. |
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07-07-2014, 05:06 PM | #41 |
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that's preposterous: there's been all kind of great talented people who've been real douchebags as human beings. Wagner, Michael Jackson, Newton, you name it. It doesn't bring a single spot to the genius in their work.
Not meaning that Marion is a genius, but come on... that's overreacting. And by that I mean not reading their books, not not punishing them for their crimes. Last edited by Namekuseijin; 07-08-2014 at 07:20 PM. |
07-09-2014, 08:52 AM | #42 | |
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I think I have read somewhere that the earliest storytellers where anonymous craftsmen who didn't create stories to express their individuality. Rather, they were following tradition, and whatever stories they produced was not seen as 'their' stories. They had no intellectual ownership. It was a bit like jokes, which are shared freely, naturally being part of the public domain. Nowadays, any published book has the name of the author clearly visible on the cover. Most often, the book writes a few flattering words about the author, and there might be a photograph too. When we pick up a book, we judge the book by the author. Even if we don't know the author, we have noticed if it is a man or a woman. But this somewhat intimate relation to the author becomes cucumbersome when she turns out to be a child molester. |
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07-09-2014, 09:54 AM | #43 | |
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According to that logic, MZB/Wagner/Michael Jackson/Newton/others should not be read or heard of or touched with your ten-foot pole, under any circumstances. Whereas I got the impression that most people on this thread seem to object merely to allowing any monetary benefits to accrue to horrible people. Once the author dies, that is no longer a factor -- which would explain how people can live with themselves when they boycott MZB yet still listen to Wagner. |
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07-18-2014, 06:21 PM | #44 |
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Is this Isaac Newton? I went through Wikipedia and haven't found anything there... virgin? male friend? religion? Nothing evil really. Perhaps his South Sea Company business? Could you elaborate?
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