Flash on page turn

avantman42 · 10-01-2010, 05:43 AM

My Kindle 3 arrived earlier this week, and I'm very happy with it. When my wife saw it, she was impressed, until she came to change page, and the display flashed (for want of a better term). She really didn't like it, and won't have an e-reader that does that.

Am I right in thinking that this is an e-ink thing, or is it unique to the Kindle? I'm going on holiday with several people tonight, and at least one of them is thinking about buying an e-book reader. If it bothers them, I'd like to know whether it only happens with the Kindle.

Russ

EowynCarter · 10-01-2010, 05:45 AM

Flash is an e-ink think.

It disturbs at first, but most peaple don't see it anymore after a little while

The cybook can deactivitate it, but at the cost of leaving "residue". So pages are less clean.

kennyc · 10-01-2010, 05:51 AM

Sorry, but that's just the way eInk displays work. Since they "remember" they must be cleared to display new information.

GeoffC · 10-01-2010, 05:58 AM

Once you get reading, it's a feature that your brain will tend to ignore in much the same way as turning the page of a book used to distract.

JeremyR · 10-01-2010, 06:19 AM

After a month, I still notice it, but it's not really annoying unless you go back a page (which at least on my K3, takes probably twice as long. And sometimes you have to hit the button twice).

Sort of like static on an AM radio station (which er, probably doesn't mean anything to you since you're in the UK...)

GeoffC · 10-01-2010, 06:20 AM

we know static on am radio ! why should we not

kennyc · 10-01-2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyR

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Sort of like static on an AM radio station (which er, probably doesn't mean anything to you since you're in the UK...)

Lady Fitzgerald · 10-01-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by avantman42

My Kindle 3 arrived earlier this week, and I'm very happy with it. When my wife saw it, she was impressed, until she came to change page, and the display flashed (for want of a better term). She really didn't like it, and won't have an e-reader that does that.

Am I right in thinking that this is an e-ink thing, or is it unique to the Kindle? I'm going on holiday with several people tonight, and at least one of them is thinking about buying an e-book reader. If it bothers them, I'd like to know whether it only happens with the Kindle.

Russ

Reminds me of this thread:

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Originally Posted by thinkpadx

Well I'm flashing my Kindle on the way to work everyday. So far I haven't seen an enormous surge in readers on the train. Perhaps I need to get a bigger one so it's more visible

Ok, I just got this image of a Kindle wearing nothing but a raincoat and a leer on its screen. Thanks for THAT visual.

MrPLD · 10-01-2010, 07:26 AM

My wife also noticed it but doesn't mind - she takes it "on the chin" well, accepting it as a normal part of eInk. Right now the only thing she's upset about is the woeful formatting quality of a book that she bought.... great start :\

avantman42 · 10-01-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Sorry, but that's just the way eInk displays work. Since they "remember" they must be cleared to display new information.

Thanks for the explanation. That makes perfect sense, now that I think about it.

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

Once you get reading, it's a feature that your brain will tend to ignore in much the same way as turning the page of a book used to distract.

It doesn't bother me at all, but Jen (my wife) says it would bother her too much, so I don't think she'll be getting an e-reader any time soon. At least she won't be borrowing mine

Mainly I wanted to know if it was something that all e-ink displays did.

avantman42 · 10-01-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPLD

My wife also noticed it but doesn't mind - she takes it "on the chin" well, accepting it as a normal part of eInk. Right now the only thing she's upset about is the woeful formatting quality of a book that she bought.... great start :\

Just as long as it's not her book that's badly formatted

MrPLD · 10-01-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by avantman42

Just as long as it's not her book that's badly formatted

Thankfully not. It was a book she bought off Smashwords ($4.99, 60,000+ words).

We'd been receiving notes in reviews of the ebook version of "Tree of life" regarding the good formatting, which we thought was a bit interesting; now we understand why.

Paul.

AdamV · 10-01-2010, 08:21 AM

i may be wrong, but from what i heard sipix displays can flash "through" white so the flash could be less noticable and bothering... e-ink as far as i know flash through black, thus page change is more visible and could be annoying for some...

DiamondDave · 10-01-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyR

Sort of like static on an AM radio station (which er, probably doesn't mean anything to you since you're in the UK...)

They have it too, but they call it a "lorry" or a "lift" or a "flat" or "crisps" or some other word that doesn't make any sense. Thank goodness we Yanks rescued the English language from these heathens!

I kid, I kid...

ngrant · 10-01-2010, 10:36 AM

The ECTACO jetBook / jetBook Lite and Aluratek Libre Pro readers use LCD screens and do not display the flash on page turns. These LCDs, unlike regular computer and phone screens, are *not* backlit and are very easy on the eyes. If you get a chance to see one of these readers "in real life" to compare with the Kindle and other e-ink readers you may find you like it better, or not. A matter of personal preference. Me, I like all gadgets and accept their pros and cons - they are what they are.

10-01-2010, 05:43 AM	#1
avantman42 Wizard Posts: 1,090 Karma: 6058305 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: UK Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Flash on page turn My Kindle 3 arrived earlier this week, and I'm very happy with it. When my wife saw it, she was impressed, until she came to change page, and the display flashed (for want of a better term). She really didn't like it, and won't have an e-reader that does that. Am I right in thinking that this is an e-ink thing, or is it unique to the Kindle? I'm going on holiday with several people tonight, and at least one of them is thinking about buying an e-book reader. If it bothers them, I'd like to know whether it only happens with the Kindle. Russ

10-01-2010, 10:36 AM	#15
ngrant Gadget Lover Posts: 422 Karma: 4501290 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MS, USA Device: Oasis 2, Mobiscribe Origin, Fire HD tablets	LCD screens do not have the flash on page turns The ECTACO jetBook / jetBook Lite and Aluratek Libre Pro readers use LCD screens and do not display the flash on page turns. These LCDs, unlike regular computer and phone screens, are not backlit and are very easy on the eyes. If you get a chance to see one of these readers "in real life" to compare with the Kindle and other e-ink readers you may find you like it better, or not. A matter of personal preference. Me, I like all gadgets and accept their pros and cons - they are what they are.

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10-01-2010, 05:45 AM	#2
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,332 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	Flash is an e-ink think. It disturbs at first, but most peaple don't see it anymore after a little while The cybook can deactivitate it, but at the cost of leaving "residue". So pages are less clean.

10-01-2010, 05:51 AM	#3
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	Sorry, but that's just the way eInk displays work. Since they "remember" they must be cleared to display new information.

10-01-2010, 05:58 AM	#4
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,600 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Once you get reading, it's a feature that your brain will tend to ignore in much the same way as turning the page of a book used to distract.

10-01-2010, 06:19 AM	#5
JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	After a month, I still notice it, but it's not really annoying unless you go back a page (which at least on my K3, takes probably twice as long. And sometimes you have to hit the button twice). Sort of like static on an AM radio station (which er, probably doesn't mean anything to you since you're in the UK...)

10-01-2010, 06:20 AM	#6
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,600 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	we know static on am radio ! why should we not

10-01-2010, 07:26 AM	#9
MrPLD Author's pet-geek Posts: 933 Karma: 1040670 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: North Queensland, Australia Device: Kindle 3 Wifi, Onyx Boox M96	My wife also noticed it but doesn't mind - she takes it "on the chin" well, accepting it as a normal part of eInk. Right now the only thing she's upset about is the woeful formatting quality of a book that she bought.... great start :\

10-01-2010, 08:21 AM	#13
AdamV Censored Posts: 105 Karma: 20724 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Warsaw, Poland Device: Kobo Aura HD (brown), Asus DR 900	i may be wrong, but from what i heard sipix displays can flash "through" white so the flash could be less noticable and bothering... e-ink as far as i know flash through black, thus page change is more visible and could be annoying for some...

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