deleted files no longer in trash but .caltrash

[lostinlodos]

Originally Posted by Quoth

One day makes no difference unless your disk is already too small.

I think we get it. You don’t care about residual files on your system.
Some of us do. Clearly.

There is no reason why a direct deletion option cannot be implemented.

For those of us who prefer deletion to actually delete, the calibre trash folder is in the same folder as the book folders. And it takes two clicks to delete it. After 4 clicks to get there.
Extra unnecessary effort; but works quickly.

[ownedbycats]

If you use command-line to convert, you can skip Calibre trash entirely.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

I think we get it. You don’t care about residual files on your system.
Some of us do. Clearly.

There is no reason why a direct deletion option cannot be implemented.

For those of us who prefer deletion to actually delete, the calibre trash folder is in the same folder as the book folders. And it takes two clicks to delete it. After 4 clicks to get there.
Extra unnecessary effort; but works quickly.

Are you telling us that you empty the trash on your Mac after every delete operation?

As for permanently deleting the deleted files? I counted only 3 clicks and 1 key combo to do so. One click to get to the book menu, 1 click to open the Recently deleted item, 1 key combo to select all and 1 click to permanently delete selected items.

[lostinlodos]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Are you telling us that you empty the trash on your Mac after every delete operation?

No. Not every time A script takes care of auto dumping hourly. For larger files, I’ll command click and delete permanently.

Is that really that strange to want deleted files to be deleted?
I know there’s some windows user thing of storing files in the recycling bin. But really?

Maybe some of you never used older systems where deletion was one step and permanent… or forgot.
But yes I generally empty the trash as soon as I add files to it.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

No. Not every time A script takes care of auto dumping hourly. For larger files, I’ll command click and delete permanently.

Is that really that strange to want deleted files to be deleted?
I know there’s some windows user thing of storing files in the recycling bin. But really?

Maybe some of you never used older systems where deletion was one step and permanent… or forgot.
But yes I generally empty the trash as soon as I add files to it.

Does using DEC OS/8 and DG RDOS qualify me as using an older system?

Personally I prefer to keep deleted files around for a while. I don't know about the users you work with or if you only work on your own personal system but being able to restore a deleted file has been a life saver on occasion.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

No. Not every time A script takes care of auto dumping hourly. For larger files, I’ll command click and delete permanently.

So why don't you fold emptying of the .caltrash folder into your auto-dump script?

BR

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

I set it for 1 day.
But you seem to be more willing to keep around gigabytes of junk than I am.

In order to keep gigabytes of deleted eBooks, I would have to delete quite a number of them.

At present, I have 1 eBook and 3 formats (original_ePub) deleted. That is far from gigabytes of junk.

Just chill. This is a feature that helps.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

Maybe some of you never used older systems where deletion was one step and permanent… or forgot.
But yes I generally empty the trash as soon as I add files to it.

My Linux File Manager has a Delete command that actually deletes if I want to bypass trash. I think Windows Explorer has an option to bypass Recycle and instantly delete (Shift Del?). A quick search suggests three ways to avoid Trash on Mac OS. One involves disabling it. Another is to hold Option Key in Mac File Manager. A third is a utility.


So why add files to Trash to delete them? Can be avoided on Linux, Mac and Windows.

Also the Calibre caltrash is like a sort of cache if set to 1 day. It's obsessive to worry about that.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by Quoth

My Linux File Manager has a Delete command that actually deletes if I want to bypass trash. I think Windows Explorer has an option to bypass Recycle and instantly delete (Shift Del?). A quick search suggests three ways to avoid Trash on Mac OS. One involves disabling it. Another is to hold Option Key in Mac File Manager. A third is a utility.

Shift-del, yes. I believe you can also set the recycle bin to 0 mb and disable entirely.

[BetterRed]

There's a radio button in the Windows Recycle Bin Property sheet: "Don't move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files immediately when deleted."

If you don't want to do that, you can also use the 'del' command to remove a file permanently - recycle/trash/garbage bins hadn't been invented when it first saw light of day - RT11, OS/8 - something like that.

BR

[ownedbycats]

There's also a few shell extensions (FileMenuTools) that can add direct-delete to the context menu. I imagine most third-party file managers worth their salt also have the option - XYPlorer does.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

There's a radio button in the Windows Recycle Bin Property sheet: "Don't move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files immediately when deleted."

If you don't want to do that, you can also use the 'del' command to remove a file permanently - recycle/trash/garbage bins hadn't been invented when it first saw light of day - RT11, OS/8 - something like that.

BR

rm

Most distros now warn if it would delete everything.

[lostinlodos]

Originally Posted by Quoth

rm

Most distros now warn if it would delete everything.

A bit of extra annoyance. But I understand it. Like here, I’d forgotten people use Calibre as a document management platform.

Originally Posted by BetterRed

So why don't you fold emptying of the .caltrash folder into your auto-dump script?

BR

Simply; because it resides in the system path. Which requires escalation.
I’m not willing to script my user password into an action.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

... That is far from gigabytes of junk.…Just chill. This is a feature that helps.

Fairly small files. I regularly deal with much larger ones. The largest on on my iPhone is almost 800mb. Others routinely pass the 100MB mark. Hell, my daily news feed from 9-5Mac often passes 50MB.

As for helping, it doesn’t do anything for those of us using the program as a converter.

Originally Posted by Quoth

So why add files to Trash to delete them? Can be avoided on Linux, Mac and Windows.

Option delete works on MacOS. Which is my usual method from Finder and FindAny.
But that doesn’t work from within most software file dialogs. I wasn’t obsessing. I was pointing out that the “feature” comes with no way to disable.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by lostinlodos

As for helping, it doesn’t do anything for those of us using the program as a converter.

Use the command line to convert. This lets you avoid the trash-bin entirely.

[lostinlodos]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

Use the command line to convert. This lets you avoid the trash-bin entirely.

That generally defeats the purpose of a GUI. With calibre I can use the control key to select multiple files. Right click and chose convert. Chose from the drop down my format. And click ok.

When it’s finished I can right click and choose delete type. Allowing me to (no longer actually) delete a specific format. Drag to a new folder for output. Then (no longer actually) delete the files from the program.

The command line takes much more time and effort. Especially for multiple but not all, files in a folder.

I’ve already admitted my fault in forgetfulness that it’s used as a library and document storage platform.

I reiterate: there should be an option to disable it. I thing less and nothing more.