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Of course, that is a bunch of bologna. Neither approach makes it likely for Amazon to be guilty under their current practices. Name a single, valid, reason why Amazon is even close to squeezing a supplier.
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Seriously, you ask how a company that removed the buy button from the publisher they were in a contract negotiation with is even close to squeezing a supplier?
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Yet the company concerned did nothing about it but bleat pitifully to the press. Whilst neglecting to mention their status as a price fixing conspirator. It took no legal action, anti-trust or otherwise. I wonder why not?
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Federal prosecution in such cases is as much a political act as it is a civil or criminal act. US Attorney (i.e. Federal prosecutor) is a political office, not a civil service office. The Attorney General is an appointed post. Why is Qualcom being charged with Anti-trust now for actions that they have been doing for years? Answer, a different administration with different priorities. |
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Publicizing Amazon's actions and fighting Amazon in the court of public opinion was the smart thing to do. That's what they did, and it worked quite well. The various publishers are in business to make money. The correct response isn't always to sue. |
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Amazon has now faced a hostile administration for some time, yet the DOJ has taken no action. If Amazon is breaching anti-trust laws, why not? But if the DOJ won't, the Big 5 has shown they have no problems colluding so their solution is simple. Get together and sue Amazon. An easy award of treble damages and attorney fees! Injunctions restraining the offending conduct in future. A Judge might even appoint someone to supervise future compliance as happened with Apple. What on earth could be stopping them? Why be deterred by the minor detail that they have no case? They had none when they entered into the conspiracy, but did so anyway. Last edited by darryl; 02-04-2019 at 08:50 AM. |
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As far as indie writers suing because Amazon is changing the terms on them, or 3rd parties suing because Amazon is cutting off access (such as authoralert), most of them don't have the resources to go against Amazon. I personally don't think they would win anyway, but then again, if you go back and look at what I actually said rather than what is being projected by others, I said that Amazon needs to be careful when they squeeze their suppliers. No more, no less. My point is that the current administration won't give them a flier like the previous administration did. Remember several judges during the Apple trial said that they thought that Amazon likely was engaged in an anti-trust violation, but that Amazon was not the company on trial. Jacobs came out and said as much in his opinion. Heck, even Cote acknowledged it in passing. |
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(Bold mine). You are confusing your own opinion (ungrounded) with what the real lawyers and judges should agree with. By repeating, on your part, that Amazon is unfairly squeezing, does not make it so. You bring up Hachette? Laughable. Amazon did not remove buy buttons. They removed pre order buttons on books that were not even for sale yet. It could even be argued that Amazon did Hachette a solid favor by not removing the buy buttons from actual books for sale.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...-start-2014-10 https://www.engadget.com/2014/08/25/...tte-explainer/ It also mentions that the authors and publishers urged the DOJ to investigate Amazon for anti-trust. Needless to say the DOJ under the previous administration declined to do so. If the same thing happened now, I doubt the restraint by the DOJ would occur. |
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Thanks of reminding me of the new low some authors scooped down to. That was quite embarrassing, for the authors at least. In the quoted article from you I still fail to see where Amazon removed the buy option of released books. It was business as usual. Normal contract negotiations. Both sides are big, both sides pushed, both sides came to an agreeable contract in the end. Everybody else learned from Hachette by not doing the same mistake and let the contract expire. |
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https://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-deg...43146-mlb.html https://coxcommitment.com/what-others-are-saying/ https://www.latimes.com/business/hol...102-story.html Amazon *didn't* stop distributing Hachette; they merely stopped warehousing the books for free and they stopped taking orders for books they had no assurance they would be able to sell. After all, with no contract, Hachette could refuse an order or choose to "window" Amazon the way TOR is blocking library ebooks today. If anytging, Amazon showed enormous patience and restraint with Hachette's stonewalling. It should be noted that the DOJ did take note of the dispute: they asked all the BPHs for copies of any communications they had during the negotiation period, reminding them they couldn't coordinate negotiations again and that dragging their feet to synchronize their negotiation periods would be cause for deeper inquiry. S&S got the message real fast. If squeezing suppliers is bad, suppliers squeezing retailers is far worse, especially when they collude to raise prices. Hachette dragging their feet was really an attempt at collusion 2.0 that the feds nipped in the bud. All available evidence shows the DOJ is more concerned about illegal behavior by the BPHs than about anything Amazon has done. As for the public hostility of the current administration it should be noted they haven't actually changed anything except, maybe, Amazon boosting their own delivery services. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/amaz...by-embark.html Which started before 2016 and is already boosting their revenues: https://www.ecommercebytes.com/2019/...n-q4-earnings/ Quote:
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Amazon is a large corporation that cares about it's profits, just like those nasty publishers. Bezos is on record for using the Walmart model of business which involves a focus on cost reduction techniques such as squeezing suppliers. It was very successful for Walmart and has been very successful for Amazon. It's made Bezos the richest man in the world. |
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