Amazon Defends Pedophile Book - Page 3

rogue_red · 11-11-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

So any book written that advocated crime -- fiction or non-fiction -- makes the author a criminal?

I don't think so.

There is of course "Lolita" as mentioned elsewhere in the fiction category. Books on how to build bombs, steal cars, rob banks, etc. etc. etc.

Should all this authors be arrested?

What of the books that explain how to build an Atomic Bomb?

Kenny, fiction is not even part of the equation in this argument. Fiction is lies, just pretty lies. Non -Fiction is quite another matter. The author (Mr Greaves) is most definitely a criminal. I have spoken to him on the Amazon forums and he believes that a child of four can give consent and derive pleasure from sex with an adult. It is him and his 'how-to' pedophile guide and Amazon's choice to promote such material that is the issue. Books that describe how to commit crimes should be forbidden corporate sponsorship. People can write and read whatever they like but they should not be allowed to be advertised.

Geppetto · 11-11-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

So any book written that advocated crime -- fiction or non-fiction -- makes the author a criminal?

I don't think so.

There is of course "Lolita" as mentioned elsewhere in the fiction category. Books on how to build bombs, steal cars, rob banks, etc. etc. etc.

Should all this authors be arrested?

What of the books that explain how to build an Atomic Bomb?

Sorry, but in Roman law countries "an instigation to a crime IS a crime" - as I called it. I didn't know that in Anglosaxon countries it was an expression of freedom - but I do think this is your own personal interpretation of freedom of speech.

Nabokov's Lolita has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

desertgrandma · 11-11-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

You are right. And when that happens we will no longer be the country we should be. (some will say we are already there)

The U.S.A. is a country built on the Rule of Law and the ideals of equality and freedom for all. When you start taking rights and freedoms away you are treading on dangerous ground.

You can't have it both ways, KC.

There is no such thing as "total freedom to do what you want"

There must be checks and balances in any civilized society.

You can quote taking away our freedoms and rights all you like.....but at the end of the day......if you support Amazons right to sell this book......you are on 'that' side.

JSWolf · 11-11-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rogue_red

I am so thrilled!!! I have been campaigning to have that book removed ever since I saw it. I contacted reporters, internet safety agencies and even wrote to the author. I am over the moon!!

It's not gone enough yet. It's still there in search even though the listing is gone. Amazon needs to got that one extra step to erase all traces of that book.

JSWolf · 11-11-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

From the V&R: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...ostcount=13042

I'm sorry DGM but you do not get to decide what others publish or read regardless of whether you want to take responsibility for it or not. Freedom of speech is guaranteed (at least in the U.S.A.).

You can yell and stamp your feet and protest all you want, but you can't stop it.

Actually, if it has any information in it on how to have sex with a minor, then the book is illegal and has to stop being sold. This is not about freedom of speech, but what is legal and what is not legal and it's very possible that this book is illegal.

tubemonkey · 11-11-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

This is not a First Amendment or censorship issue. No government body ordered Amazon not to sell the book, or questioned Amazon's right to sell it. (FYI, this was a self-published book that apparently was published through the Amazon company CreateSpace.) But consumers have a right to judge Amazon by its sale of such a book, and that's what happened.

Exactly!

kennyc · 11-11-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

You can't have it both ways, KC.

There is no such thing as "total freedom to do what you want"

There must be checks and balances in any civilized society.

You can quote taking away our freedoms and rights all you like.....but at the end of the day......if you support Amazons right to sell this book......you are on 'that' side.

Then we're clear.

Again you're right - you can't have it both ways. You can't have freedom of speech and restrict it.

You seem to want to be the 'decider' of who can publish or say what. I disagree, I say the law of the land gets to decide.

If the people decide to eliminate freedom of speech then it will be at the peril of all that has been done for the last 200+ years.

It really is very clear.

JSWolf · 11-11-2010, 10:20 AM

Kenny, what if someone bought that book and used it as a guide to having sex with YOUR child? Would that be OK with you? Would you still say it's a freedom to have the book sold on Amazon?

kennyc · 11-11-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Actually, if it has any information in it on how to have sex with a minor, then the book is illegal and has to stop being sold. This is not about freedom of speech, but what is legal and what is not legal and it's very possible that this book is illegal.

Wrong. Please provide the link to the published law that says this.

kennyc · 11-11-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Kenny, what if someone bought that book and used it as a guide to having sex with YOUR child? Would that be OK with you? Would you still say it's a freedom to have the book sold on Amazon?

Irrelevant. But yes it is the authors right to say and publish it provided it does not violate any other laws (such as slander or defamation of character, etc.).

tubemonkey · 11-11-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rogue_red

I fully support America's Freedom of Speech but I object to corporate sponsorship or fiscal support of material that promotes sex crimes against children.

I support the right of individuals to engage in any legal activity. If it's legal to create and sell such works as in the OP, then I support the author's right to do so; though personally, I find it quite abhorrent.

HarryT · 11-11-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rogue_red

Yes I agree but I'm not discussing parental responsibilities. I'm discussing Amazon's responsibility as a retailer to and for children. Not all parents are diligent and Amazon do not provide any means of restricting access to adult or offensive material.

That's really not true. Amazon require that you are an adult in order to create an account, and you need an account in order to download material to a Kindle. I don't actually know of ANY bookstore, physical or online, which restricts access to material that is unsuitable for children. Rightly or wrong, unlike films and video games, books do not carry content classifications, and it's really not a bookstore's responsibility to create such a classification system.

LDBoblo · 11-11-2010, 10:25 AM

I'm not sure why this is pitchfork-worthy. If Amazon wants to cull their offerings to promote an image, that's fine and dandy. If not, it's fine and dandy. It's a book, probably full of some offensive material. Just don't buy it.

JSWolf · 11-11-2010, 10:25 AM

But is it really legal? It advocates an illegal activity. But one issue I really have is the sales it generated. It made it up to #96.

JSWolf · 11-11-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LDBoblo

I'm not sure why this is pitchfork-worthy. If Amazon wants to cull their offerings to promote an image, that's fine and dandy. If not, it's fine and dandy. It's a book, probably full of some offensive material. Just don't buy it.

Your neighbor bought the book, decides to try out what is contain in it and decides to use your child. Now how do you feel about the book?

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11-11-2010, 10:20 AM	#38
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,887 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Kenny, what if someone bought that book and used it as a guide to having sex with YOUR child? Would that be OK with you? Would you still say it's a freedom to have the book sold on Amazon?

11-11-2010, 10:25 AM	#43
LDBoblo Wizard Posts: 1,385 Karma: 16056 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Asia Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Sony PRS-505	I'm not sure why this is pitchfork-worthy. If Amazon wants to cull their offerings to promote an image, that's fine and dandy. If not, it's fine and dandy. It's a book, probably full of some offensive material. Just don't buy it.

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