Article on Linux and E Ink displays

wallcraft · 11-29-2007, 09:11 AM

The Linux World article Kernel space: E-paper support for Linux by Jaya Kumar is a technical description of the unique aspects of persistent e-paper displays and techniques for driving E Ink's Apollo and Metronome controllers.

Apollo is used by the Cybook Gen3, Amazon Kindle, and Sony PRS-500, while (the newer) Metronome is used by the Sony PRS-505.

Anyone want to roll their own E Ink Reader? This article certainly makes this appear possible, but still a daunting task.

igorsk · 11-29-2007, 09:33 AM

Very interesting article, thanks!

jayakumar · 11-29-2007, 09:20 PM

Hi. Thanks for your feedback on the article. :-) It is certainly feasible to roll one's own E-Book reader, and I would venture as far as saying it's within imagination to hit a bill of materials lower than the USD$100 mark in any reasonable volumes. I would make it using an SOC (need to find one with AMLCD) with sufficient on-chip flash and SRAM to run something small but viable like ucos or possibly just bite the cost a bit and add sufficient flash and sdram to run linux, and have it read SD cards for content. Adding expansion like AC97 audio, and things like SD wifi or other media should also be possible. By the way, I posted a video of the older version of metrnomefb running with X clients here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or3R3Q8oyuE I can try to take a better video of a more recent version if people are interested. Thanks again.

drkool · 11-30-2007, 12:32 AM

Thanks a lot for this article Jaya. I have been looking for something like this for a while now.

I believe that the true magic of e-ink will will show when the prices of devices get to the $100 level. (though it is unlikely to happen anytime soon). This can only happen if we conceive of a device that only does one thing well. Frankly I would gladly give up the SD cards, Audio capability, touch screen etc for a very basic and very cheap (less then $100) reader. Something that will not happen until someone proves the concept.

I believe your article is a step in that direction. Thanks again

Antartica · 11-30-2007, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallcraft

The Linux World article Kernel space: E-paper support for Linux by Jaya Kumar

Very good read. He says that that framework is already merged in 2.6.22. And with nalim opensource delta driver this would become implementable on the iliad.This is getting really interesting :-).

jayakumar · 12-01-2007, 10:00 AM

I've posted a bunch of pictures of metronomefb displaying various images. I also posted a few of it running dillo (an embedded web browser) with a few websites.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jayakumar.lkml/Metronomefb

I hope it's of interest.

nekokami · 12-01-2007, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkool

Frankly I would gladly give up the SD cards, Audio capability, touch screen etc for a very basic and very cheap (less then $100) reader.

I think even an inexpensive reader should have some kind of expandable memory storage, though. Why have a reader if you have to be tied to a desktop to get to your library?

TadW · 12-01-2007, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekokami

I think even an inexpensive reader should have some kind of expandable memory storage, though. Why have a reader if you have to be tied to a desktop to get to your library?

Well, flash memory is getting cheaper. Personally I have never needed an SD card for my Sony Reader, except when I reflashed it with a hacked firmware.

nekokami · 12-01-2007, 07:47 PM

Hard to know how much memory to include in the base unit, though. I like having the option of expanding.

catsittingstill · 12-04-2007, 10:27 AM

Not to mention offsite storage on SD cards in a safety deposit box or something, so one fire doesn't take out your whole library

Xiaopanda · 08-05-2009, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsittingstill

Not to mention offsite storage on SD cards in a safety deposit box or something, so one fire doesn't take out your whole library

Really? You put your pbooks in a safety box, too? (in case of fire)

I also back up onto on-line storage (Like boxnet or MSN or somewhere) so if a fire goes through my SD card collection, at least the data is safe...

Forgive me, I'm an Aussie and afflicked with "that" sense of humour....

nekokami · 08-13-2009, 03:45 AM

Well, that IS one of the advantages of ebooks -- being able to have backups. (Or at least it ought to be.)

Hellmark · 08-13-2009, 11:10 AM

Using SD cards is actually very cheap. Many homebrew hardware hackers use SD cards as their means of storage in their project. The parts to do so are a dime a dozen. Hell, I'd say no on board storage, and just use SD cards, if you really want to save money.

Phogg · 08-13-2009, 01:14 PM

Robertb · 08-13-2009, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkool

Thanks a lot for this article Jaya. I have been looking for something like this for a while now.

I believe that the true magic of e-ink will will show when the prices of devices get to the $100 level. (though it is unlikely to happen anytime soon). This can only happen if we conceive of a device that only does one thing well. Frankly I would gladly give up the SD cards, Audio capability, touch screen etc for a very basic and very cheap (less then $100) reader. Something that will not happen until someone proves the concept.

I believe your article is a step in that direction. Thanks again

Dear Dr. Kool:

Allowing, sir, that the cost now of a 6 inch E-Ink panel to the manufacturer is $75 minimum, and then that manufacturer needs to add the body and the features and all the guts, and has to design and buy the body, and still has to pay for the Format ($70,000 per model for ADE), and then needs to mark up to make their profit, and then the distributor marks it up, and it costs $5 per unit for freight from China or Taiwan, and packaging is no small burden, and panel costs are RISING and not falling... you are well-intentioned but I do not see it happening. A 5 inch just broke the $200 barrier and it is already stripped to its shorts... and nobody is making profit, much less sufficient profit, at that price.

I work for a manufacturer and my costs are accurate.

11-29-2007, 09:11 AM	#1
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	Article on Linux and E Ink displays The Linux World article Kernel space: E-paper support for Linux by Jaya Kumar is a technical description of the unique aspects of persistent e-paper displays and techniques for driving E Ink's Apollo and Metronome controllers. Apollo is used by the Cybook Gen3, Amazon Kindle, and Sony PRS-500, while (the newer) Metronome is used by the Sony PRS-505. Anyone want to roll their own E Ink Reader? This article certainly makes this appear possible, but still a daunting task.

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11-29-2007, 09:33 AM	#2
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	Very interesting article, thanks!

11-29-2007, 09:20 PM	#3
jayakumar Member Posts: 13 Karma: 299 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: E-Ink	Hi. Thanks for your feedback on the article. :-) It is certainly feasible to roll one's own E-Book reader, and I would venture as far as saying it's within imagination to hit a bill of materials lower than the USD$100 mark in any reasonable volumes. I would make it using an SOC (need to find one with AMLCD) with sufficient on-chip flash and SRAM to run something small but viable like ucos or possibly just bite the cost a bit and add sufficient flash and sdram to run linux, and have it read SD cards for content. Adding expansion like AC97 audio, and things like SD wifi or other media should also be possible. By the way, I posted a video of the older version of metrnomefb running with X clients here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or3R3Q8oyuE I can try to take a better video of a more recent version if people are interested. Thanks again.

11-30-2007, 12:32 AM	#4
drkool Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: irex illiad	Thanks a lot for this article Jaya. I have been looking for something like this for a while now. I believe that the true magic of e-ink will will show when the prices of devices get to the $100 level. (though it is unlikely to happen anytime soon). This can only happen if we conceive of a device that only does one thing well. Frankly I would gladly give up the SD cards, Audio capability, touch screen etc for a very basic and very cheap (less then $100) reader. Something that will not happen until someone proves the concept. I believe your article is a step in that direction. Thanks again

12-01-2007, 10:00 AM	#6
jayakumar Member Posts: 13 Karma: 299 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: E-Ink	I've posted a bunch of pictures of metronomefb displaying various images. I also posted a few of it running dillo (an embedded web browser) with a few websites. http://picasaweb.google.com/jayakumar.lkml/Metronomefb I hope it's of interest.

12-01-2007, 07:47 PM	#9
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Hard to know how much memory to include in the base unit, though. I like having the option of expanding.

12-04-2007, 10:27 AM	#10
catsittingstill Guru Posts: 643 Karma: 551634 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Kindle 1.0.8, iPod Touch, Kindle Keyboard	Not to mention offsite storage on SD cards in a safety deposit box or something, so one fire doesn't take out your whole library

08-13-2009, 03:45 AM	#12
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Well, that IS one of the advantages of ebooks -- being able to have backups. (Or at least it ought to be.)

08-13-2009, 11:10 AM	#13
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,549 Karma: 3799999 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: O'Fallon, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3	Using SD cards is actually very cheap. Many homebrew hardware hackers use SD cards as their means of storage in their project. The parts to do so are a dime a dozen. Hell, I'd say no on board storage, and just use SD cards, if you really want to save money.

08-13-2009, 01:14 PM	#14
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