Pirates buy more legal music

TallMomof2 · 04-21-2009, 10:27 AM

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Study: pirates biggest music buyers. Labels: yeah, right

Those who download "free" music from P2P networks are more likely to spend money on legit downloads than those who are squeaky clean, according to a new report out of Norway. The music labels, however, aren't quite buying that data.

Sparrow · 04-21-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TallMomof2

The music labels, however, aren't quite buying that data.

Does that mean they're pirating it?

Format C: · 04-21-2009, 10:32 AM

The Holy War against piracy is not about money, nor aboout copies being paid.
It's all about control.

And AFAIK, majors/publishers are willing to give up a few sales to gain a complete control over the circulation of ideas.

;-)

AlfonsVH · 04-21-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

Does that mean they're pirating it?

zelda_pinwheel · 04-21-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

Does that mean they're pirating it?

Penforhire · 04-21-2009, 11:09 AM

IMO, the grain of truth here is those who pirate heavily are often music enthusiasts (the other common choice is 'file collector'). They would buy even more music if piracy was not an option. Population skew.

Mike L · 04-21-2009, 11:46 AM

TallMomof2,

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according to a new report out of Norway

Not saying I don't believe you, but I'd like to know who published that report and how they did their research before giving any credence to it. After all, anyone can write a report.

HarryT · 04-21-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Penforhire

IMO, the grain of truth here is those who pirate heavily are often music enthusiasts (the other common choice is 'file collector'). They would buy even more music if piracy was not an option. Population skew.

It's a classic case of the logical fallacy known as post hoc, ergo propter hoc:

People who pirate a lot of music also buy a lot of music. Therefore, they buy more music because they pirate music.

That's a relationship that needs to be proven - it cannot be deduced as a logical inference.

tompe · 04-21-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It's a classic case of the logical fallacy known as post hoc, ergo propter hoc:

People who pirate a lot of music also buy a lot of music. Therefore, they buy more music because they pirate music.

That's a relationship that needs to be proven - it cannot be deduced as a logical inference.

And what is the fallacy called when you assume that the researchers are stupid and have not taken this into account?

tompe · 04-21-2009, 12:10 PM

The empirical study only ttalks about correlations so were come logical fallacies in?

wayrad · 04-21-2009, 12:14 PM

No matter how much they spend, I doubt it compares to the amount that can potentially be extracted from them over the short term in damages.

HarryT · 04-21-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

And what is the fallacy called when you assume that the researchers are stupid and have not taken this into account?

Nowhere in the link provided do I see a claim that people buy more music because they pirate it. What makes you believe that the researchers have drawn this inference?

tompe · 04-21-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Nowhere in the link provided do I see a claim that people buy more music because they pirate it. I was simply pointing out that one cannot infer a causal relationship between the two.

No, but you can say that it is false to claim that downloading music lead to that you buy less music than people not downloading music.

HarryT · 04-21-2009, 12:28 PM

I think that all you can really say is that people who like music probably buy it, and people who don't like music will neither pirate it nor buy it. And that's really pretty obvious

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tompe · 04-21-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I think that all you can really say is that people who like music probably buy it, and people who don't like music will neither pirate it nor buy it. And that's really pretty obvious

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No you can say exactly what I said also. It is trivially true from the study and not obvious.

04-21-2009, 10:32 AM	#3
Format C: Guru Posts: 753 Karma: 1496807 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The Third World Device: iLiad + PRS-505 + Kindle 3	The Holy War against piracy is not about money, nor aboout copies being paid. It's all about control. And AFAIK, majors/publishers are willing to give up a few sales to gain a complete control over the circulation of ideas. ;-)

04-21-2009, 11:09 AM	#6
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	IMO, the grain of truth here is those who pirate heavily are often music enthusiasts (the other common choice is 'file collector'). They would buy even more music if piracy was not an option. Population skew.

04-21-2009, 12:10 PM	#10
tompe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW	The empirical study only ttalks about correlations so were come logical fallacies in?

04-21-2009, 12:14 PM	#11
wayrad Fanatic Posts: 551 Karma: 1121392 Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Device: HTC One M8	No matter how much they spend, I doubt it compares to the amount that can potentially be extracted from them over the short term in damages.

04-21-2009, 12:28 PM	#14
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I think that all you can really say is that people who like music probably buy it, and people who don't like music will neither pirate it nor buy it. And that's really pretty obvious .

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