02-26-2010, 12:48 PM | #31 | |
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With a physical book that's bought legally, there's only one copy to float around (people could photo copy it, scan it etc. of course, but that's less of a problem as it's a hassle). You loan out your copy, you don't have yours anymore and only one person at a time can have your copy. But with digital content you can give the file to a friend, then you both have copies. It's not really loaning since both copies work at the same time and can be kept permanently. And nothings stopping you from giving it to only one friend or family member while keeping your copy, or from people you give it to to make copies and pass on to their friends while keeping a copy for their self etc. I don't think this super restrictive DRM is the way to go though, it goes too far in limiting how we can use e-books we buy ourselves. I say just scrap DRM and find more effective ways to enforce piracy than silly (and rare) huge lawsuits etc. Or if we have to have DRM, build in lending capabilities so we can lend e-books to one other person for a set amount of time (and our copy isn't usable while they have it, just like you can't read a paper book while it's loaned out). Also build in the ability to permanently transfer a book to another person so you can sell or give away e-books you've read while not having the copy work on your account. The problem their is that type of scheme isn't feasible until we have one e-book format so the scheme can be uniform across all devices etc. But when that's possible I think that's a viable option. It won't stop the out right pirates, but it will probably get the average legit user to not strip DRM and solve problems of a loaned e-book ending up in multiple people's hands as people pass it on while keeping their copy (rather than passing around a paper book). |
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02-26-2010, 12:57 PM | #32 | |
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02-26-2010, 12:59 PM | #33 | |
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I read your original response as saying even if you did delete it you still have copies in the catch. I see, from your post above, that is not what you were saying, my apologies. =X= |
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02-26-2010, 01:07 PM | #34 |
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Does that really matter either? If they're done reading the book, and then loan it to their mother, who cares if there is technically still a copy of the file on their PC. It makes no real difference.
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02-26-2010, 01:14 PM | #35 |
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That's the whole debate here, isn't it? If "common usage" says "I can read a book, and then give it to my mum", but copyright law says "oh no you can't, matey, because if you do so you've copied the book, and hence broken copyright law", then does copyright law "trump" the accepted practice of what you can do with a book?
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02-26-2010, 01:20 PM | #36 | |
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The DMCA would come into play if you have to strip the DRM in order to loan it to your mother, but copyright law shouldn't really treat a physical book any different from a digital book. |
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02-26-2010, 01:25 PM | #37 |
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To the OP, remember we now have a US Government Czar looking over your shoulder http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...hstholders.ars .
As someone else posted, I have bought an ebook from Amazon, stripped the DRM so I could read it on my Sony. I am at least one person (I bet there are a few more) that if I could not liberate their books, they would not get any business from me..... Oh and I share these books that I liberate with my wife.... and sometimes they occupy two readers at the same time..... It should be noted that with the DRM it would be acceptable for them to be on two authorized readers.... I just do it without the DRM..... Come and get me Czar and her minions...... |
02-26-2010, 01:28 PM | #38 | |
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1. As you say, incidental copies created during normal use are clearly permitted by copyright law since, practically speaking, you can't really do anything with a digital file that doesn't involve copies being made - not even reading it. 2. The issue of what, if anything, you are obliged to do with your own copy when you give the book to someone else. Is merely refraining from reading your own copy sufficient? I'd guess it probably isn't - copyright is about "possession, not "usage". Is making a reasonable endeavor to delete copies from your reading device and PC sufficient? I would hope that it is, but until this is tested in court, we really don't know the answer, do we? |
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02-26-2010, 01:38 PM | #39 | |
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02-26-2010, 01:59 PM | #40 |
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Welcome to the Darkside everyone!
Experience how nice it feels when you throw of the yolk of your monopolist oppressors THIS is exactly why the copyright maximiists are so afraid. You have your justification for copying files, I have mine, he has has and others have theirs. Everybody is different — yet everybody is the same in their eyes. Of course, your loved ones would NEVER lend ‘their’ copy to another of their loved ones, and their other loved ones would never ‘lend’ a copy to their significant others/friends, and five or more iterations down the line, 'your' first copy would never find is way on to a file-sharing sites. it always starts with the first little step… Seriously folks, one a copy is out of your physical control you no longer have any say in over where it ends up — no matter how much you ’trust’ the recipient — just like secrets, the only way to keep one secure is to never ever let another living person have access. The copyright maximilists KNOW their position is untenable and the more the so-called ‘upstanding citizen’ ignores the ‘letter of the law’ the more irrelevant it becomes. And no, before anyone say it —there is no such thing as being ‘a little bit pregnant’. |
02-26-2010, 02:03 PM | #41 | |
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I also seriously doubt you're ever going to see someone taken to court because they loaned a copy to their mother but neglected to delete the file from their own PC. The copyright holders would never know it was happening, and likely wouldn't care either. Last edited by Shaggy; 02-26-2010 at 02:06 PM. |
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02-26-2010, 04:44 PM | #42 | |
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Second thing, go out and kill twenty enemies. After having done so, you'll feel MUCH LESS guilt over sharing the book with your mother. Derek |
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02-26-2010, 04:55 PM | #43 |
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You certainly don't seem to have a Pirate (L)attitude.
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02-26-2010, 05:02 PM | #44 | |
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They're going to focus, and rightly so, on those putting files on the darknets for anyone to grab, and maybe some on people downloading files from the darknets. Publishers have always lost sales as people borrow books, check them out from the library etc. I don't see them losing a lot of sleep over loaning of e-books. They don't like it--just like they don't like loaning and used books sales for paper books etc., but not much they can do about it since it's near impossible to detect with e-books, and people have full rights to loan, sell, donate etc. their physical content whether they like it or not. At most they work on getting some lending system in place like the Nooks to try to prevent lent copies from moving on down the chain of people the person borrowing it knows etc. But even that may be more trouble than it's worth. But they can work to fight online piracy, and that will be their focus. Worry about the people who get your content without every paying for it and try to pass it on to tons of others etc. Not someone who bought it sharing it with a few people like they have your paper books for years. Last edited by dmaul1114; 02-26-2010 at 05:04 PM. |
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02-26-2010, 05:06 PM | #45 | |
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Besides, there's also the hassle. Shopping from the Kindle is a bit of a pain but if she wants to shop from her computer, she'd need the login for his account. Not that he couldn't trust her with it but maybe he wants privacy, too. My husband doesn't have my login. Mostly it's just because I wouldn't want him to see when I've bought him a surprise. So that means he's stuck shopping on the Kindle unless I'm around. We at least live in the same house so it's pretty simple. It would be nice if you could link Kindle users into a family group the way you do with Prime rather than having it all tied to one account. |
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